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Old 01-23-2005, 06:13 PM
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Need Maxi Help On A Minie Ball


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I Have Retired My Old T/c Hawken .45 After About 25 Years. My Eyes Are Getting Too Old To See The Sights. I Now Have An Nea Huntsman .50 And Have Been Casting And Shooting A T/c Maxi With Excellent Accuracy, But It Seems To Me That The New .50 Loads Conicals A Whole Lot Easier Than The Old .45. Only The Top Band Is Engraved, Has The Land To Land Diameter Been Increased To Make It Easier To Load Sabots?
I Have Been Considering Ordering A Lee Improved Or Target Minie. They Don't List An Oversize Mold. If The Barrel Is Made For Sabot Loading Will The Minie Be Undersize And Just Fall Down The Barrel? Will The Lee Minies Stand Up To 90-100g 777 Loads Without The Skirt Blowing? Could I Use The Minie For Plinking If I Use Up Some Wheel Weights?
It Might Be Easier To Put Optics On The Hawken, But I Just Can't Make Myself Do It.
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Old 01-23-2005, 06:21 PM
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May have made it easier to load by decreasing the driving bands...but I remember the Maxi's as being pretty easy to load in my old T/C 25years ago and only getting hard engravemnt at loading on the top band. Being soft lead, after getting kicked in the rump by 100Gr. of FFg, the recovered bullets were well engraved on the base and middle bands (when I could catch them undamaged enough for examination).

Depending on alloy, the Lee molds (are at least 2 50's..traditional and modern) cast .501" and .498" from my two molds...best to figure it as an even .500" In a bore where they just kiss the tops of the lands...aren't really engraved but have no slack land-to-land...they shoot pretty well with light loads. IF they are a a rattly fit,,then tend to start life off center and dont really get better as they travel down the barrel. Skirt seems too thin to really handle hot hunting loads...after 80gr. FFg they tend to scatter to the winds (blown skirt would be the guess...haven't caught one to find out).
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Now I've used those HB minis as the base for paper patched 50/70 bullets...just patching them up to .515" to match the groove diameter of the old barrel. Worked pretty well.

SO I tried a bit of teflon plumbers tape on them to get them up to .503" for one muzzle loader that had a land-to-land of that size...seemes to help. Although it's "aginst the rules" tried casting them in analooy of part wheel weights...did come out larger in diameter (.502"), and shot better than when cast of pure lead.

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Old 01-23-2005, 08:25 PM
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I use a Lee Traditional Minie in .50. My mold throws about .502 with pure lead.
I have had no problems with the skirt blowing in my rifle- I'm using 90 of Prodex Select. Velocity is 1395 @10 feet, and they shoot very well.
They load quite easily.
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Old 01-24-2005, 04:28 AM
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jACK, THANKS FOR THE INFO. I GUESS THE ONLY WAY I'M GOING TO KNOW FOR SURE IS TO GET OFF MY BACK POCKET AND ORDER THE MOULD.

RIBBONSTONE- I BEEN SITTING HERE WITH MY POINTER FINGER AT MY TEMPLE GOING HMMMMMMMMM. IF THE MINIE IS LOOSE IN THE BORE, HOW DO YOU KEEP IT AGAINST THE POWDER??? CAN YOU DEPEND ON LUBE TO HOLD IT IN PLACE? I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO USE WHEEL WEIGHTS FOR PLINKING BECAUSE MY BOYS AND I GO THROUGH SEVERAL BALLS A YEAR AND I COULD SAVE MY PURE LEAD FOR HUNTING, BUT RINGS IN THE BARREL HAVE NEVER BEEN THAT ATTRACTIVE TO ME AND I'M NOT AMBITIOUS ENOUGH TO PAPER PATCH. I TRIED THE MAXI WITH WHEEL WEIGHTS AND HAD TO BEAT IT DOWN THE BORE.
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Old 01-24-2005, 03:19 PM
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Can get wheel weights to work with the HB mini's, but it seems like there is a narrow range where they work well. Will have to juggle loads until you find it.

Better to measure the bore. In this case, are only concerned with the land-to-land diameter (which will decide how well that mini fits the bore...gas expasnion of the skirt takes care of the groove-to-goove size) which makes getting this measurement a bit easier.

Yeah...you can lube them with a thick waxy lube and get a small sized mini to stay put well enough,,,that and some compression by the rod (get a well fitted rod tip so as not to distort the nose too greatly)....BUT...if it's a loose fit, it won't be in line with the bore's center and usually won't shoot very well.

Single cavity Lee HB mini's aren't real expensive molds...go ahead and take the chance.

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Hint on casting with wheel weights for this use. Let the mini's cool slowly. Carefully drop them in a well padded area (hot lead tends to smoosh skirts easily)..drop them from as close to the padding as possible so they have less likelyhood of becoming damaged from the fall...keep them seperate so one doesn't fall and dent the other...and let them cool without any help. This keeps them about as soft as you can get them.
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