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Old 12-16-2007, 06:21 PM
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Looking for the best bullet of these 3 for whitetail deer shot out of a .50 caliber hawken percussion style rifle.
Which is your choice and why? I have shot a doe with the round ball/90 gr. ffg and I like the traditional style of the round ball but It did not pass thru. So I switched to Maxi-Ball.
I have shot 3 with the Maxi-Ball 320 grains/110gr. ffg and all have passed thru. They are easier to load in hunting situation vs. a round ball.
I have not used the Maxi-Hunter but was wondering what your experience was with this load and also I'd like to hear from someone who has more experience with how the round ball performs.

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Old 12-16-2007, 07:22 PM
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Welcome to the forum gundog. Rules are simple, be nice and join in.

I've been out of the muzzle loading hunting for a while so can't help you there, but I'm sure some of our members will be able to.
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Old 12-16-2007, 07:52 PM
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I'm not much of a fan of the round ball for hunting in anything less than a .54 for the reasons you already know....... hard to load and lack of penetration. Of the two Maxi's I prefer the Hunter for deer. It seems to transfer a bit more shock and cause more tissue damage than the Maxi-Ball but still has enough mass to penetrate well on deer sized game. Just my opinion based on experience, I'm sure there are those who don't share it. Good hunting and congrats on your success so far!
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Old 12-17-2007, 05:18 AM
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I did a lot of performance testing with conicals in a variety of ML's and of those currently available, the Buffalo Ballette performed best "after-impact" but did not perform well on its way to the target at any range. Others like the Lee REAL and Maxi's will sometime group very well yet at a given cutoff point they loose stability and go wild. In most cases accuracy was lost between 55 and 70 yards to the point where at 5-7 yards beyond the cutoff point, you cannot keep them on the paper. Other than the Ballette, most conicals will readily change direction upon impact with bone unless it's a dead center hit on the bone. Using both real and similated bone, some conicals like the Maxi's, Great Plains, PA & BuckBuster will turn as much as 80 off course. Round balls in the same tests deflected less than 15 off course. I started this testing after one fellow claimed he shot two deer standing broadside and found the slug deep in the guts, the other was hit on a front quartering shot and the conical skipped down the side. Another fellow related making a lung shot a moose and the conical exited the chest.

If you're roundball didn't pass-through with 90gr of 2F, there could be several reasons.
Gas blow-by: Patch/ball combo not tight enough or patch failure.
Other gas loss: Nipple hole too large or powder charge not burning completely.
Shooting too far: Round balls loose velocity quickly - shoot within effective range.

On the .50 cal you should be using a 0.490" -0.495" ball with a 0.015" - 0.020" thick patch unless the bore is over/under size in which case you may need to adjust the ball diameter accordingly.

Somewhere along the way something is going wrong unless you're trying to shoot end to end lengthwise. I've shot several deer with .45 cal out to 75 yds and 95 yds with the .50, complete pass-through with both cal's including one with the .50 that took one shoulder joint out on the way in.

PRB's should not be difficult to load either in the field or on the range. A proper patch/ball combo should be tight enough to prevent blow-by but not so tight that it's difficult to load. If you cannot obtain acceptable accuracy until you go to a very tight combo, you likely have a mechanical issue with the bore. If the problem is fouling, you need to look at the lube and load. If you provide more specific, pic's of both sides of fired patches would be great, I'll be glad to try and help you figure out what's going on. I don't make it to the forum on a regular basis these days so feel free to email me direct: [email protected]
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Old 12-17-2007, 12:42 PM
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well said markkw. i too have shot a few deer with prb in 50 cal. / 90 grns. ffg. shot both 490 and 495. although i`ve never had penetration problem on either, i prefer the 0.495/0.015 with 90 grns. ffg. penetration has not been a problem out to 100yds.
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Old 12-17-2007, 07:14 PM
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Shot a button buck yesterday with a 275 maxi-hunter. Shot was high shoulder/low neck at about 40 yards. Deer didn't move from where it was standing, bullet passed through. Load was 90 grn equiv of 777 FFG.

This was from a TC Omega.
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Old 12-18-2007, 04:59 PM
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Over the past 16 years at least 30 whitetails have fallen to a .495 round ball pushed by 80g of Pyrodex RS, fired from my Lyman Deerstalker. These whitetails have been anywhere from 12 feet to 110 yards. Out of those only 3 or 4 balls were recovered. Personally I have had much quicker kills using a round ball than a bullet. I wanted a new rifle this year so I picked up a Lyman Trade rifle, but went with a .54 for a little more thump. I shot 2 does with it this year with it and had complete pass through, and very quick kills. I like the .50 but the .54 is awesome.
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Old 12-19-2007, 05:41 AM
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Thanks for the input--I'm glad to hear from you guys with more experience with the prb. I think I'll give the prb another try next season and I have a whole year to shoot until then.
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Old 12-21-2007, 07:20 AM
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Just wanted to express my appreciation to Markkw for such a thorough and right on reply.
I was just passing by looking for loads for my buddy's wife. He hasn't had much luck, so the wife said " heck I just have to kill one". I'm sure I'll be back after seeing the quality of discussion here.
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Old 12-21-2007, 09:10 AM
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Just wanted to express my appreciation to Markkw for such a thorough and right on reply.
I was just passing by looking for loads for my buddy's wife. He hasn't had much luck, so the wife said " heck I just have to kill one". I'm sure I'll be back after seeing the quality of discussion here.

Thank you for the kind words! I've got a bunch of things going on right now but in the coming months I'll be putting a full article togther rather than just these bits & pieces.

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Old 01-02-2008, 09:35 PM
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You also have to consider your rate of twist. The Lyman Great Plains Rifle has 1 in 60" twist and is excellent with round ball. The Traditions, CVA and T/C Hawkens all have 1 in 48" twist. These are made as a middle of the road for both round ball and conicals. The only Hawken style rifle, that I'm aware of, that is made for conicals is the Lyman Great Plains Hunter with it's 1 in 32" twist barrel. Your load sounds like it should drop any deer out to 100 yards.
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Old 01-03-2008, 08:55 AM
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The prb works great within its range...say, 100 yards. But, so do the conicals, and the conicals carry their energy out farther. Round balls are very cheap...weigh the benefits, you really shouldn't have a problem with any of those loads.
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Old 01-05-2008, 03:26 PM
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Another vote for the PRB...

That said, I should add that before hunting with the PRB combo...I replaced the factory bbl. on my 50 cal. T/C Hawken with a 32" Green Mountain "drop-in" round ball bbl.w/ iron sights. I don't shoot beyond 100 yds, but in my hunting area, that's pretty much max. anyhow. I'm very pleased with the performance on game, and for whatever reason(s) of my own...I like the more "traditional" approach.
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Old 01-05-2008, 06:45 PM
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I have two .54's that I use PRB's in for hunting. Finding the right patch dia., lube, powder charge for your rifle and take some time and effort. In my T/C Renegade I use a .530 ball, .015 patch lubed with either moose juice or moose snot. both are home made concoctions. and 90 gr. 2F. I have been playing around with 3F as of late and I really like it. I also use an over the powder wad. This addition alone tightened up my groups. The wad helps a lot in sealing the gasses. I have had pass through's on deer out to 75 yds. I shot a spike elk some years ago at 60 yds. and flattened ball was found lodged against the hide on oposite side.
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