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Old 05-23-2008, 08:35 AM
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Hello. I'm new here. Also fairly new to muzzleloader hunting. Several years ago I purchased a .54 caliber, CVA Apollo, in-line. I shot it for about a year and enjoyed it. I seem to remember there was some sort of "recall" that I participated in - perhaps a replacement barrel? Anyway, I had no problems with the rifle. I think I used 100 gr. ffg with something like about a 400 gr. bullet? Anyway, for a number of reasons, I had to put the rifle up, but now, I want to start hunting elk with it again. It was hardly used (I never hunted with it), but the shooting I did with it seemed to go fine. So the rifle is in excellent shape. However, I have heard the rifle may not be safe? Should I replace it or is it safe to use with loose blackpowder loads? Also, if it's safe to use, what load (loose powder, lead bullet) combination would anybody suggest?
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Old 05-23-2008, 08:45 AM
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Welcome to the forum Scott. Rules are simple, be nice and join in.

I can't help you on the CVA, but their still in business, why not give them a call or an email. I'm sure they would help you out. I've had several different CVA muzzle loaders, but not that one.
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Old 05-23-2008, 07:33 PM
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If you are using FF with a 100 grain charge, I would not be concerned. Even the barrels that had some issues failed with a sabot and 3ea 50 grain triple 7 powder pellets. Triple 7 makes some serious pressure, more than any other blackpowder substitute. That load would make more than 30,000 PSI!!! Your 100 grain FF load develops less than 1/2 that. I am not sure I would blame CVA totally for failures here because it is kinda triple 7's fault because it produces pressure well beyond what Pyrodex, ClearShot and Black powder produces and they are not really clear about this in warnings. (it really should not be marketed as it is) If you never plan to use triple seven 3 pellet loads, I would not be concerned. From what I have read about 777, I have no desire to use it ever.
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Old 05-24-2008, 06:06 AM
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Thanks for the replys regarding my CVA apollo muzzleloader. The state I live in doesn't allow pelleted powder or sabots so I wouldn't be tempted to use anything but loose pyrodex or blackpowder loads in the rifle, even if I had a desire to. I have a query into CVA right now regarding the rifle (I sent in the serial ##), but haven't heard back from them yet. I appreciate your input. Would either of you have any suggestions as to what bullet (can't use sabots) I might want to try shooting in the rifle (.54 cal, 1 in 32 twist) in preparation to hunt elk?
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Old 05-24-2008, 06:33 AM
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The recall was for rifles made in 95 & 96. It was a barrel replacement. Look on your barrel and see if the serial # ends in 95 or 96. If so contact CVA.

http://www.cva.com/

The Apollo model was not designed to take "magnum" charges, 150 gr black powder loads. On my 50 cal model, 100 grs loose powder was the maximum load. The Apollo was built before pellets came into common use.

CVA now likes to push "Powerbelt" bullets for their rifles. Don't know if your state would concider them to be sabots. You can get a idea of what they concider a proper "load" from that web site:

http://www.powerbeltbullets.com/docs/PBB2006.pdf

But this is for the lastest rifle models, I would still contact CVA to check with them.

If your rifle is in good condition as you state, then loose powder or pellets of up to 100gr should be safe.
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Old 05-24-2008, 07:18 AM
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Thanks for the replys regarding my CVA apollo muzzleloader. The state I live in doesn't allow pelleted powder or sabots so I wouldn't be tempted to use anything but loose pyrodex or blackpowder loads in the rifle, even if I had a desire to. I have a query into CVA right now regarding the rifle (I sent in the serial ##), but haven't heard back from them yet. I appreciate your input. Would either of you have any suggestions as to what bullet (can't use sabots) I might want to try shooting in the rifle (.54 cal, 1 in 32 twist) in preparation to hunt elk?
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You might try a TC, Maxi Ball, They can be had in 430 grain and 540 grain. I would use 430 and use between 80 and 100 grains of FF (see what shoots best) and do not let ballistics fool you are even with 80 grains that slug is deadly. In a 54 even a RB is very effective on large game such as elk inside 100 yards but your twist is to fast to shoot them well. I know 50's are most popular but 54's even with RB or old style slug are even more lethal and 58's too.
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