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Old 10-29-2008, 10:19 AM
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Just this morning I killed my 3rd deer with a powerbelt bullet. Using 95gr. of Jim Shockey Gold and a 225(223) gr. .45cal., it puts 3 shots just about touching at 50yrds. However, 2 shots were double lung with a quarter sized hole. This one hit just behind the closest shoulder, and pancaked on the opposite shoulder. No blood trail, I'm lucky I saw it go down. By the way, this is THE only bullet that will go down my barrel without a HAMMER. I find it odd that T/C would make a barrel that does not take it's proprietary bullets without gunsmith preparation first. Any T/C reps want to expalin this? I've tried all sabots and bullets available in the MidwayUSA, Cabela, and BassPro catalog, none will go down without a hammer except Powerbelt, and they won't go thru a shoulder at 19yrds. Patched round bullets pattern like a shotgun. I could take the barrel to a gunsmith for firelapping, but my factory instructions did not say to do this in order to shoot proprietary bullets. I have questions, any factory reps got answers? Does anybody else with a T/C G2 .45cal. barrel have this problem?
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Old 10-29-2008, 12:13 PM
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Just this morning I killed my 3rd deer with a powerbelt bullet. Using 95gr. of Jim Shockey Gold and a 225(223) gr. .45cal., it puts 3 shots just about touching at 50yrds. However, 2 shots were double lung with a quarter sized hole. This one hit just behind the closest shoulder, and pancaked on the opposite shoulder. No blood trail, I'm lucky I saw it go down. By the way, this is THE only bullet that will go down my barrel without a HAMMER. I find it odd that T/C would make a barrel that does not take it's proprietary bullets without gunsmith preparation first. Any T/C reps want to expalin this? I've tried all sabots and bullets available in the MidwayUSA, Cabela, and BassPro catalog, none will go down without a hammer except Powerbelt, and they won't go thru a shoulder at 19yrds. Patched round bullets pattern like a shotgun. I could take the barrel to a gunsmith for firelapping, but my factory instructions did not say to do this in order to shoot proprietary bullets. I have questions, any factory reps got answers? Does anybody else with a T/C G2 .45cal. barrel have this problem?

A lot of people have been led to believe that if they bought a T/C they had the best and that is not true. I have two of them both hawkens and they are not that accurate past 50yds and they are not my 100 - 200 yd rifle. I am not surprised that T/C's do not shoot the ball and patch very well, they don't in my two rifles either. This is the very reason I am having a cap-lock rifle made for me. I am tired of spending money on factory stuff that does not meat expectations.
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Old 10-29-2008, 12:20 PM
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I am surprised if you have tried some of the super glide sabots or the MMP HPH-24 sabots as they are really loose..

If I had that rifle and could not get things to load easy, I would be contacting T/C and want them to explain what's going on. I do not have that rifle..

I take it, you went to Shockey powder so that you would not have to swab. And that might be the problem right there... congratulations on the does.. that sounds like a good accurate load you have there. I too would be concerned that you are not getting pass through.
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Old 10-29-2008, 02:06 PM
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I read an article on barrel bore size consistency. Basically most manufactures were oversized by a few thousandths and had some variation. TC's were dead on with little or no variation. This was thought to be a sign of good quality, but obviously it may have some drawbacks as well. It would be interesting to see if your barrel was slightly undersized for some reason.
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Old 10-29-2008, 02:11 PM
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Terry why don't you just firelap it? Doesn't sound like it would hurt anything at this point. Marshall wrote this up in the tech notes, that's what I'd do with a contrary muzzleloader.
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Old 10-29-2008, 05:01 PM
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I just gotta ask. How many Deer have you missed or have had run away with this combination?
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Old 10-30-2008, 05:29 AM
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Well, haven't had a shot over 30yrds. in many years, so, none. Very accurate combo. My beef is it is the only bullet(15 bullets for 20bucks) that will go down my barrel(none made by T/C), and I think the bullet opens up too easy. Double lung with no bones is a fine shot, but a shot that may include large bones I don't think this bullet will do it. Where I hunt, northeast Okla., it is so thick that if a deer runs more than 30yrds. it is out of sight and will require blood trailing. Gotta have 2 big holes!
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Old 10-30-2008, 03:13 PM
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My experience with powerbelts on a shoulder shot at 30 yd was not good: no deer found. Later that evening, shot a doe at 70 yd behind shoulder and she went down quickly, but bullet resembled aluminum foil when it was found and had "planed" back into the paunch, resulting in a broadside gutshot. 295 gr bullet should penetrate straighter and further, with more than 50gr retained weight.
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Old 10-30-2008, 03:39 PM
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Powerbelts from what I have read preform best with 70-90 grains of powder. You do not want them moving too fast or they will tend to splatter when they hit. I have never shot a deer with them so I can not comment from experience.

If I wanted to plant a deer I shoot them with a large conical. Normally out of my White I shoot a 500 grain pure lead conical on top of 70 gr of 3f powder. When that hits deer, it expands, goes through them, makes a good blood line, and excellent wounds. They tend to just go down if you place it.
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I am surprised by your results with the Powerbelts. I have had nothing but excellent results from them. I am using .50 cal, so I can't comment on the .45 bullets. I load 100gr pyrodex pellets and have pass-through on both shoulders from the 295gr HPs. This is at ranges from 20 yds to 100 yds. I, knock on wood, have not lost any of the last 20+ deer I have shot with Powerbelts. In fact, I will be using the 270gr Platinum Powerbelts in my .50 Beowulf this year for deer.
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Old 10-31-2008, 08:39 AM
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I'd love to shoot a conical, at least I would feel like a primitive firearms hunter. Not without a hammer to get the bullet down the barrel...Maybe I'm shooting it too fast, I'm getting in the range of 1950-2000fps. I recall shooting powerbelt's at lower grains, but they did not group well until I got to 95grs, and they are Real accurate at that point. I will keep trying new bullets, in the meantime, I'll just take double lung shots and dream of the day a conical or hard-cast .40cal bullet-sabot will go down the barrel.
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Old 10-31-2008, 11:40 AM
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If you could slug your bore and know the bore size... Bull Shop conicals could make conicals that would fit perfect in your bore. I shoot them in my Whites all the time and they shoot real well out of my T/C Black Diamond. I have some .451 conicals in 460 grain that might work for you...
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Old 10-31-2008, 06:23 PM
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Thank you, I will keep that in mind. My only avenue is firelapping and then slugging!
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Old 10-31-2008, 06:57 PM
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I hate to see anyone with a quality of that rifle to firelapp it. The amount of metal you'd have to remove might actually effect the accuracy of the rifle. I would just slug the barrel with an egg sinker, measure the ridges off that and then you'd have a good idea of the diameter of the barrel. You could then get a slip fit conical that might shoot well.

I ordered some .45 caliber Barnes Expanders for my .451 but I have a feeling they might be too tight for your rifle from the way you describe it.
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Old 11-01-2008, 05:55 AM
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Thanks for the info on Bull Shop. That is VERY interesting. I think slugging my barrel is in my future. I really enjoy the "one shot only" of primitive firearms. However, with 209's, BP substitute, sabots...I feel like I am getting away from the idea. Shooting a conical would be great.
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Old 11-01-2008, 07:23 AM
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http://bullshop.gunloads.com that is his web site. Dan and Tina are great people to deal with. He does a real nice job. And his #2 lube is a great conical lube.
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Old 11-01-2008, 05:55 PM
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Powerbelts on deer

As for proof of the results of Powerbelts. My 12 year old took his first antlered buck (other than spike) this moring with a 245gr .50 cal Powerbelt.
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Now that young man shot a beautiful deer. Congratulations to him. Did he get a pass through, and what distance was he shooting. Also what powder charge was he using.. again that is really a nice buck. I like the rack..
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He was shooting 1 pyrodex pellet (50gr), shot was about 50 yds from my treestand to the ground. He hit a little high due to angle and buck fever. It entered just on the edge of the spine and exited down by his shoulder. Oh and these were the aerotips not regular HPs. Thanks for the nice comments.
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Old 11-02-2008, 05:11 AM
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I am also going to recommend a conical bullet. You can get Lee sizer dies for less than 20 dollars. If you donít have a reloading press to put them in a used press can be found cheep or a new cheep lee press is about 20 bucks.
You can buy any lead conical and size it or you can make your own for very little money. Lee moulds are about 20 bucks, a lead furnace is as cheep as a cast iron pot on a turkey fryer to a Lee melter under 50 dollars.
I make my own 45 bullets. You can use 45 pistol bullet moulds or 45-70 moulds. Since you are going to put them through a sizer you can use about what ever you want. You can also adjust the hardness of the lead. In short if you want the best bullet make it your self. I make 500 S&W bullets that I paper patch and shoot in a 50 cal ML. I make 45-70 bullets to shoot in my 45 and paper patch them. Making your own bullets is rewarding and fun to do. Ron
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