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Old 10-30-2008, 12:31 PM
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Hello all,

I'm looking to get a 50 caliber Hawken Kit for my son and I to build together and I'm looking for help on recommendations on a good, reasonably priced kit. Here is what I've found from different online sources.

1. The Lyman Great Plains Hunter is a good kit but it only comes with a 1 in 66 twist which from what I have gathered is only suitable for round balls rather than other loads such as sabots. Also, I like the looks of a patch box in the stock and this kit doesn't have one.

2. The Thompson Center Hawken has a reputation as a very good gun with a versatile 1 in 48 twist and a patch box in the stock but I can't find the kit anywhere so I'm not sure that they make it anymore. Is that correct? If not does anyone know of a source for this gun as a kit?

3. The Traditions St. Louis Hawken looks nice and it also has a 1 in 48 inch twist with a patch box in the stock. I don't know anything about this brand so are these good guns?

4. The CVA Hawken, which I believe is what Cabelas sells, looks like the Traditions St. Louis Hawken but I have read reports of problems with barrel failures on CVA guns. Is that a warranted concern and reason to stay away from them?

So, can y'all help me out with my decision on which gun to get? Are there any real differences in the quality of these different guns that should make me get a particular gun or stay away from a particular gun? Are there any other brands that make a good reasonably priced kit that I should consider?

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Mike
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Old 10-30-2008, 12:36 PM
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I know that Lyman sells a quick twist barrel in the Great plains model, don't know if that is available in the kit form, but you might give Lyman a call or an email. They are a great kit and I really like the iron furniture. I've worked on several of the Cabela's guns and though they are nice looking guns I'd take the Lyman over them about any day.
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Old 10-30-2008, 01:32 PM
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+1 on the Lyman!

I have the 1:66 twist, but will be getting another barrel from Green Mountain. They have several barrels to fit the GP;

http://www.gmriflebarrel.com/catalog...ngeablebarrels

If you like the patchbox in the stock, you can buy the hardware itself and install on your stock. Try this;

http://www.cainsoutdoor.com/shop/pro...0&l=Patchboxes
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Old 10-30-2008, 03:34 PM
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1. The Lyman Great Plains Hunter is a good kit but it only comes with a 1 in 66 twist which from what I have gathered is only suitable for round balls rather than other loads such as sabots. Also, I like the looks of a patch box in the stock and this kit doesn't have one.

The reason for the Great Plain Rifle not being fancy is they tried to stay as original to the plains rifles of old, as possible. They were not all decked out like what we think of when we think Hawkins. Also their 1-60 twist is for roundball. If you get that in a .54 caliber, that is all the rifle you would need for most anything you want to hunt, and target shooting would be a real pleasure. You can purchase a seperate barrel with a 1-32 twist for the rifle that will shoot conicals and even sabots. It is called the Great Plains Hunter barrel.

2. The Thompson Center Hawken has a reputation as a very good gun with a versatile 1 in 48 twist and a patch box in the stock but I can't find the kit anywhere so I'm not sure that they make it anymore. Is that correct? If not does anyone know of a source for this gun as a kit?

They stopped making the T/C kits some time ago. But check at FoxRidge Outfitters. If anyone has a kit, they would. But the T/C is expensive. Although they are a great rifle.

3. The Traditions St. Louis Hawken looks nice and it also has a 1 in 48 inch twist with a patch box in the stock. I don't know anything about this brand so are these good guns?

Traditions are a good rifle. They are also a Spanish made barrel, but I would not let that scare you off. I have a friend that purchased that model assembled. It is a pretty good shooter. And with the 1-48 twist it will shoot roundball and conicals. Even sabots in some cases. Although there is no guarantee.

4. The CVA Hawken, which I believe is what Cabelas sells, looks like the Traditions St. Louis Hawken but I have read reports of problems with barrel failures on CVA guns. Is that a warranted concern and reason to stay away from them?

The reason it looks like the Traditions rifle is because the barrels come from the same factory. They are a nice kit, they go together well, and if you take your time you can have a nice gun. Be aware that some companies do not warranty kits. If something goes wrong, you're on your own.
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Old 10-31-2008, 07:35 PM
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Cayugad is right on the money. CVA do not make traditional muzzle loader anymore. Traditions picked up where CVA left off. Traditions is a good shooter, but just not as nice in quality. The Lyman kits are for the Great plains Rifle. You can also purchase the Great Plains Hunter barrel with a 1 in 32" twist. One barrel for round ball and one for conicals. I built a Lyman .54 GPR flinter kit. They are very well priced and easy to assemble. As was said before, with a .54 cal. ball you don't need anything else. Midsouth Shooters has the best Lyman kit prices on the net. Here's their link: http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/ . Good luck.
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It depends

I prefer the Lyman rifles and MidSouth offers very nice discounts. Hope this helps. Take care...
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Old 11-01-2008, 07:41 AM
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If a true hawkins rifle with all the brass is what you want, and you like the idea of Lyman quality, get the kit from Cabela's. Cabela's rifles come from two places. The Blue Ridge series are Pedersolli. That accounts for their beauty, function and cost. The Cabela's brand are made by Investarms of Italy. These are the same people that make the Lyman brand of rifles. Investarms manuals come with Cabela's and Lyman rifles. The Cabela's Hawkins is the Lyman Trade Rifle with a patch box. I own a .54 caliber Trade Rifle with a 1-48 twist. It is a great rifle. It shoots ball and patch and even powerbelts should the urge to elk hunt hit you. It shoots a 405 grain powerbelt with 90 grains of powder with amazing accuracy.
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Old 11-01-2008, 06:38 PM
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Check out these great Hawken kits from Track of the Wolf:

http://www.trackofthewolf.com/(S(dy4...80&styleID=310

This will give you very high quality components that will be much truer to the original plains rifles than 98% of the other cheaper kits out there. My thought is that if you are going to devote a fair number of hours of labor to a project, it might as well result in a rifle that you will be proud to show and use.

As for barrel twists, original rifles only shot patched round balls. the above kits offer 50, 54, 58, and even 62 caliber choices. This should offer plenty of power for deer and even elk hunting.

After my neighbor suffered a blown up side lock rifle "experimenting" with powerbelts and substitute powders, I advise caution. Sidelocks are not in-line rifles. They should be kept to within 10,000 to 15,000 psi. Obtain Lyman's "Black Powder Handbook & Loading Manual". Lyman has done more muzzleloading testing than anyone else. they even have technical service if you have questions. Don't assume that a friend's in-line load will be safe. My neighbor had to learn this lesson the hard way.

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Old 11-02-2008, 11:33 AM
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Another option, if you want a middle of the road barrel (1 in 48" twist), would be a Lyman Trade Rifle. Look them up while you are Midsouth site. They are a lot cheaper than Cabela's. They have a good rugged feel to them. I've handled one, but never got a chance to fire one. Heard nothing but good things about them. Just a thought.
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