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Old 01-26-2010, 05:26 PM
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I recently picked one up at a garage sale (yes, luck was on my side that day) and was hunting around for any load book or regular manual. It's not being made by T/C anymore and their site doesn't have the specific manual anymore. Anyone know where to get one?
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Old 01-26-2010, 05:33 PM
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They have only a manual for all of their Percussion; flintlocks in one manual. It is downloadable from their web site. Good luck!
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Old 01-26-2010, 05:46 PM
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Thanks. I was wandering around there for a while when I was on hold but wasn't patient enough to find it.
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Old 01-26-2010, 06:02 PM
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Here `ya go.

http://www.tcarms.com/assets/manuals...owder_Guns.pdf
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Old 01-26-2010, 06:23 PM
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I have shot a few deer with mine. Using a Maxi-ball
and 100 Grains of FFG. It has a lot of stopping
power. It is a light gun and it kicks quite a bit.

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Old 01-26-2010, 07:26 PM
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I have hunted for years with a .54 caliber Renegade. I hunt with a .530 roundball and a .018 patch with moose milk as a lube. Normally I shoot it with 90 grains of Pyrodex RS or Black Powder.
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Old 01-27-2010, 08:42 AM
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Thanks very much guys. In the mess of my basement, I found some 50 and 54 cal Cabela's brand Sabots...and this is my first blackpowder rifle. Who would have known? I like those Maxi-Balls sabots - about how far of a range have you been accurate to?
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Old 01-27-2010, 11:40 AM
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Zeke,
In my pistol, I've only shot round ball...with the Maxi Balls, you don't need the patch anymore, right?
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Old 01-27-2010, 12:06 PM
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maxiball or any conical for that matter does not need to be patched.
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Old 02-06-2010, 07:02 AM
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Hornady GPB recommend a base wad over the powder as a gas seal behind their bullet for best accuracy.
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Old 02-06-2010, 07:20 AM
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Mine shoots well with TC Maxiball and round balls, but does not like Maxihunters. Accounted for mule deer, elk, and a mountain goat. Had ignition problems with Pyrodex, but good with black powder, Clear Shot, and Triple 7. It is now a backup to an inline TC Omega.
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Old 02-06-2010, 07:42 AM
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Thanks very much guys. In the mess of my basement, I found some 50 and 54 cal Cabela's brand Sabots...and this is my first blackpowder rifle. Who would have known? I like those Maxi-Balls sabots - about how far of a range have you been accurate to?
Many years ago, a person brought me a Cabela's Hawkins and told me he thought something was wrong with the barrel as he could not shoot and hit past 50 yards. I was puzzled. So I took it out to my range, put a white paper plate up at 100 yards and proceeded to put ball after ball into that plate off a rest. He tried and shot all over the place. So I knew who or what his problem was. If you can shoot a good group, then the distance you can shoot would be up to your ability.

A person on a different forum once reports that a person with a .54 caliber Renegade and 90 grains of Pyrodex RS shot a moose with a roundball. The amazing thing is, he did it at 150+ yards. So with an accurate maxiball, you have the knock down power to shoot as far as you are able.

The longest I have ever shot is 80 yards then 15 feet more.



I was sitting in a blind. I had a .54 caliber Renegade with 80 or 90 grains of Pyrodex RS. And a home casted roundball. A deer came out at 80 yards and I glassed it with my binoculars. It was a shooter. So I put the binoculars away, taking my eyes off the deer. Got a good rest, used the set trigger and shot. The deer dropped in its tracks. But behind it was a second deer on the ground. The ball went through the first deer and hit a second deer that had walked up, I figure when I was putting my glasses away. It broke her spine. I had the tags to cover my mistake, but that might indicate the power of these rifles to you.
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Old 02-06-2010, 10:16 AM
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[In the mess of my basement, I found some 50 and 54 cal Cabela's brand Sabots...and this is my first blackpowder rifle. Who would have known? I like those Maxi-Balls sabots ]

AFAIK, The T/C Maxi-Balls are not saboted rounds - they are lead boolits with grooves for lube.
The T/C Maxi-Hunter is the HP version.

While sabots CAN be fired/used in your Renegade (is it a caplock ?), the plastic tends to build up in the bore.

I've found that my T/C's perform MUCH better after their bore's seasoned wiith T/C's Ox-Yoke Bore Butter 1000+, and Maxi's lubed with the same, or lead RB's that have patches lubed with the BB.
Extreme cold weather shooters prefer a thinner lube, though.

Use loose powder, either Pyro/777/etc or Holy Black - sidehammers won't reliable ignite pellets due to the pellet's ignition compound on one end for inlines ILO all over.

I use 100-grain ( by volume, NOT weight) charges with my conicals - but you should try various powder levels to see what's most accurate in your rifle - AND what treats YOUR shoulder good.

If your Renegade's a caplock, do yourself a favor and install a Hot Shot nipple.

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Old 02-25-2010, 08:08 AM
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HI,
I have the book. At the back are the loads. I don't want to brag but I learned fast on the Renegade. That was before all this inline stuff and scopes. When I started 20yr ago there were no scopes allowed. Get the barrel ready with TC bore butter. In two years she will stay cleaner and shoot farther. You got lucky, those are great guns. The saying'keep it simple stupid' applies here. I would forget the patch and shoot cones that fit tight. That's where the bore butter comes in. That barrel will hug that slug without gas getting past the slug. Using a patch is to prevent the loss of gas but that will not be a factor. You will have an acurate gun out to 150yrd-but only shot 100yrds. That way you can hold right on without any Kentucy windage type ideas (keep it simple stupid). Get a range finder-a must have-. There is nothing in North America that a .54 in the right hands cannot take down. Get a few speed loaders so as not to make a lier out of me. The best,
Mike

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Old 02-25-2010, 08:46 AM
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The only thing I would say is... I hate bore butter. If it works for you, then fine. As long as it is not in my rifles. I used to use bore butter in my rifles until the accuracy went south. A good cleaning removed all the layers of bore butter, the "seasoning" as some like to call it, and the accuracy returned. Now I use a good gun oil in the bores of my rifles and they shoot just fine. I just swab the bore with a alcohol patch to remove the oil before I dry patch it and load it. Bore butter is a good conical lube and will work for a patched ball, but I like moose milk for a patched ball better.

And Mike is right, a .54 caliber in the right hands can harvest anything it wants to harvest in North America.
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Old 02-25-2010, 09:05 AM
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Everything sounds like good advise here, except for the use of Bore Butter as a barrel protecter. Modern barrels are made of steel and can't be seasoned like the old iron barrels. Bore Butter can ruin a barrel. It is wax based and can trap moisture between the layer of Bore Butter and the barrel, causing rust. A lot of people have learned the hard way. Bore Butter makes a fine lube for conicals. For cleaning, KISS. Warm soapy water, followed by clear water, dry and a light coat of oil. Been doing this for over 30 years with no problems. Just run an alcohol patch down the bore before reloading to remove the oil. As mentioned, that .54 will handle any game you come across. I have three .54s and just love them. Congradulations!
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Old 02-25-2010, 11:22 AM
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Hi Cayugad,
I never had problems with accuracy caused by the butter. I figured any time you mixed the two types of oil-then you had trouble. Once my barrel was seasoned I only use a light film if it is going to sit until next year. And I would be afraid to clean my gun with hot water if using oil. I guess we each have our own successful way to do it. And as you said-the accuracy returned-so it did not harm your barrel. In the old days, before oil, a vegtable lube or something similar was all there was and accuracy was a matter of life and death. I don't shot patched balls-just big slow slugs that fit snug against the bore. I have done the test with the white sheet in front to see if all the powder was burning and it is. But we agree that is one heck of a weapon that will drop about anything in its tracks. Thanks Cayugad,
Mike
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Old 03-07-2010, 08:01 PM
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I have used my .54 Renegade for years for shooting and hunting. I tried Maxi's and other conicals, but settled on a .530 roundball, a patch, and 90 grains (volume equivalent!) Pyrodex Select. I use a musket nipple and musket caps. I wipe between shots with an alcohol patch, then 2 dry patches. Fire a couple of caps before reloading. When done, remove the nipple, pop out the wedge pin, pull the barrel off, and put the breech end of the barrel in 6 in off hot water. Run a few patches up and down the barrel and watch the crud come out. Wipe out the barrel with a alcohol patch, then wipe out the barrel with an oil patch. Clean the outside and use a little oil. The whole process takes 10-15 min. Be sure to use the above alcohol/dry patch and cap firing before reloading it the next time.
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