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Old 01-02-2012, 11:05 AM
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Has anyone ever refinished a traditional muzzleloader barrel in finish that is easier to clean? I was looking at CCr NPII Cummings Custom Refinishing.....

Also I was looking at a TC grey hawk. Will a TC white mountain barrel fit this action?

Will refinishing the barrel decrease my bore diameter ?
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Old 01-02-2012, 02:41 PM
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I do all my hawken style BP rifles in a rust brown. A light coat of old and they are done, An minor rust only makes them look better. Exterior only.

Not sure what you mean abouot your bore diameter??? interior???

Blued and rust coatings will not measurably change your exterior barrel outsize diameter.
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Old 01-02-2012, 03:21 PM
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If I get the inside and outside done in NPII do you think the inside bore diameter will suffer much?
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Old 01-02-2012, 06:08 PM
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If I get the inside and outside done in NPII do you think the inside bore diameter will suffer much?
never heard of the inside being done and I would say no you shouldn't do it any coating would not last as well as it would mess up groves and could also cause preasure problems


sory muzzleloader is a muzzleloader cleaning it is part of the game no easy way out some things work a bit better but cleaning is cleaning

now some modern guns have stainless barrels but none for traditionals that I know of
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I'm not familiar with that coating. I work on performance engines and we often coat parts going in them. Many coatings I deal with have film thicknesses of anywhere form .0008 -.0025". Guess I'd call the people who do that coating and see if they recommend it for what you are doing, if it can be applied evenly and what results to expect.
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Old 01-03-2012, 12:56 AM
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Doesnt look like it is meant to be put in the bore. The bore could be hard chrome plated but I dont know where you could get it done. CLP after a good cleaning will protect from rust. Black power residue will rust just about everything so cleaning is the only way IMHO.
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Old 01-03-2012, 02:17 AM
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Unless it is electronicly deposited, molecule by molecule, you will fill the rifling more than the lands. this will reduce accuracy in a ML rifle. If it is a ML shotgun I don't see a problem it it will take the wear of the shot and wads.
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Old 03-07-2012, 02:04 PM
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I would avoid placing any coating in the bore; It's something you might regret later.
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Old 03-07-2012, 03:07 PM
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I know the chrome lined bore M-14's generaly were not quite as accurate as the regular barrels although they were easier to clean. If you lap your bore it does make a difference regarding accuracy and ease of cleaning.
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It's true that generally speaking from a strictly accuracy issue chrome lined isn't as accurate as non chrome lined. But, the difference can be so minor as to not be an issue. I've got a m14 I built that will put 20 rounds inside a 6" circle at 600 yards and it's got a chrome lined bore. It's also got a scope and match grade gas piston and tuned trigger, but no beading and a USGI stock.

The idea that chrome lined isn't as accurate is from the fact that most barrels have minor imperfections after rifling, and chrome plating makes them permanent. A non chrome lined bore you can lap the imperfections out. If the bore is lapped before chrome lining then it'll make an excellent barrel. I'm not sure on the process of chrome lining, but sometimes you get a barrel with minor variation of chrome thickness and that can cause accuracy issues on some barrels. But it sure is a lot easier to clean!

One instant of this, while non chrome lined, is Rice barrels, they pull a hard chrome ball that is slightly oversized through the barrel and it irons the lands down uniformly. Looking in the barrel it looks like a mirror. And it's supper easy and fast to clean. And very accurate. At the time I didn't know it, but now I don't want anything but a Rice barrel on a muzzle loader.
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On the inside of the rifle, if you wish a "coating of sorts" that will assist in cleaning and preventing rust try some Montana Xtreme Bore Conditioner. You apply it according to the directions on the bottle. With continued use, it "seems" to make cleaning easier on the rifles I have treated with it. But I never found a traditional rifle hard to clean. Use a water bath and soap. In not time at all you have clean patches. Then some alcohol patches to help dry the bore. And finally dry patches to make sure the rifle is clean and dry. Then apply the bore conditioner again.
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cayugad, I am new here but thought I would mention a product that I am finding works wonders in the boar. I'ts called Smith & Wesson Premium lubricant & Protection W/ Cerflon. This comes out as a foam w/ a nozzle. Penetrates copper,lead,against any kind of corrosion and safe for all finishes. I was impressed how much better it worked w/ cleaning the blackhorn 209, 777, etc.. I've tried all the others like Montana , boar shine , hoppes you name it. Mabe, you've herd of it.
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Old 06-25-2012, 11:01 AM
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cayugad, I am new here but thought I would mention a product that I am finding works wonders in the boar. I'ts called Smith & Wesson Premium lubricant & Protection W/ Cerflon. This comes out as a foam w/ a nozzle. Penetrates copper,lead,against any kind of corrosion and safe for all finishes. I was impressed how much better it worked w/ cleaning the blackhorn 209, 777, etc.. I've tried all the others like Montana , boar shine , hoppes you name it. Mabe, you've herd of it.

I do have a can of Smith & Wesson Lubricant and Protection in my cleaning supplies, but my can does not mention the Cerflon. I was asked to product test it for the company, which I did. I sent them the results of my testing and had to agree with you, it is a very good product. And does have its place in my cleaning supplies. It does come out of the can as a light bronze colored foam. I use this on trigger assemblies and places hard to reach as with the extending plastic straw tube, I can reach into places and deposit a small shot of the lubrication. I do not use it in my rifle bores though. As I found as the foam breaks down, it tends to migrate with gravity and move into the bolsters of my rifles. Not that it can't be cleaned out, because it is a very good product. But that Montana Xtreme Bore Conditioner I have used on several rifles as kind of a test. I find they clean at the end of a day of shooting, very easy. But then I never find cleaning a rifle all that hard to do .
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