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Old 03-05-2012, 04:51 PM
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1858 Pietta - front sight adjustment qusetion


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Hello group,

I own several of these and really enjoy shooting them. I just acquired a fixed sight 1858 Pietta with a 5" bbl, all my others have adj sights. This one hits 6" low at 25 yards (a little less with the 45LC conversion cly and a heavier bullet). I'm lucky in that it does not need any windage adjustments. I need to modify or replace the front sight . I'd like a POI = POA sight picture @ 25 yards. My current load is 30 grains of FFF with a wad. I'm getting 2" at 25 yards.

My question:
Before I start playing with the existing front sight does anyone know if they make a replacement sight in various heights? Is the existing front sight screwed in or is it soldered?

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Bill in OR
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Old 03-07-2012, 06:28 PM
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To raise the point of impact just file a little off your front sight at a time. I would try VTI for any parts you might need for your Remington. VTI Replica Gun Parts
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Old 03-08-2012, 07:00 AM
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Thanks SFT,

I think I'll go the the filing now that I have the load development down. I've done this with a few other fixed sight guns but I'm always a bit timid to start. Funny after all these years I always question myself when adjusting the front sight; lowering the front raises the POI.

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Old 03-08-2012, 03:00 PM
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Just go slowly, take a few shots, file just a little bit more. I was terrified to file my sights at first, worried that I was going to destroy the barrel if I slipped but I've calmed down now. My 58's were most accurate using 23 grains of 3f Goex and a lubed wad in between the ball and powder.

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Thanks SFT,

I think I'll go the the filing now that I have the load development down. I've done this with a few other fixed sight guns but I'm always a bit timid to start. Funny after all these years I always question myself when adjusting the front sight; lowering the front raises the POI.

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Bill
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Old 03-12-2012, 07:14 AM
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I'm with you, the first few strokes of the file are always the hardest. I'll get to it this coming weekend.

Here are the loads I posted a few months ago. I have a variety of powders now so I can really wring her out. I've taken a few rabbits and a dozen carp or so with my 7.5" '58's.

I was told that the upper end (below) is a bit high so I've since settled on 35gr Pyro fff or ff.
I used the Hornady / Speer .451 round balls in all loads. Some suggest using the .454, but was shaving lead with every loading using the .451 so I think these are fine.

All weights are by volume using a brass measuring device filled from a plastic clear flask.

I was trying to use up some ole Pyrodex fffg and that was used in all loads. The fffg is so fine that it spills through the release lever of my flask, I might move to ffg so that it meters better.

All shots @ 25 yards with pistol rest. I was limited in the amount of rounds I could fire because of fouling, and I'd already fired some while carp shooting.

#1: 35 grains powder (by volume), topped with a Wonder Wad = 2 1/2" - 3" at 25 yds

#2: 45 Grains topped by Wonder Wad = 2 1/2" @ 25 yds.

#3: 50 grains, no Wonder Wad (about max powder capacity), Pyrodex BP bullet lube applied over bullet = 1 3/4" - 2" @ 25 yds.
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Old 03-12-2012, 01:17 PM
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I also shoot a Pietta .44 caliber New Army 1858 target model revolver with a long barrel. My personal load is 20 grains of Jim Shockey Gold 3f and a .451 roundball. I use a #10 cap to set the whole works off. A very accurate shooting revolver. That is the load recommendations out of the manual that came with the revolver.



This was 25 yard shooting off a rest. And I was testing corn meal as a buffer. The nice thing shooting Jim Shockey Gold is the revolver does not get so filthy that you have to break it down and clean it.



There is my cylinder loading flask and then I use a homemade lube I call baby's bottom (for reasons I need not explain) lube to fill in the cylinders. It is made from bees wax, castor oil, murphy's oil soap, and Alox.

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Old 03-13-2012, 07:17 AM
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Hi Cayugad,

Thanks for the post. I have the same gun as you do, I love it! I have a few pounds of Pyrodex, 777 and some Goez(?) to burn up, and then I'll be on the search for a new powder. It seems like I get about 18 shots before the B/P crud builds up and I need a light cleaning / wipe down. I'll get some pic's of my girl and some of the accessories I've built for it. It seems that mine likes 30 - 35 grains of ff or fffg.

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Old 03-13-2012, 12:52 PM
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If you find some American Pioneer Powder 3f, Pinnacle 3f, or Jim Shockey Gold 3f I would sure give that powder a try. I have shot 60 rounds at one sitting and never had to break the revolver down. At the end of the day, I take the wooden grips off, and the whole thing goes in a tub of dish water and with a tooth brush and a baby's nipple brush (fits the cylinders perfect) the thing cleans up in no time at all.
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Old 03-13-2012, 03:31 PM
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[QUOTE=Huntkng;611162]Hi Cayugad,

Thanks for the post. I have the same gun as you do, I love it! I have a few pounds of Pyrodex, 777 and some Goez(?) to burn up, and then I'll be on the search for a new powder. It seems like I get about 18 shots before the B/P crud builds up and I need a light cleaning / wipe down. I'll get some pic's of my girl and some of the accessories I've built for it. It seems that mine likes 30 - 35 grains of ff or fffg.

I like your loading stand, it's well thought out. For cleaning, just put a little rubing alcohol on a rag and wipe down the exterior of your revolver, it will cut the crud and remove much of the fouling. Some of the CAS folks just spray it down with Windex and swab the cylinders after every stage, you might try and see if it works for you.
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Old 03-13-2012, 07:35 PM
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rubing alcohol on a rag and wipe down the exterior of your revolver, it will cut the crud and remove much of the fouling. Some of the CAS folks just spray it down with Windex and swab the cylinders after every stage, you might try and see if it works for you.

Great stuff. I'll give both processes a go this weekend!

Bill in OR
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Old 03-14-2012, 10:07 AM
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I have a few pounds of Pyrodex, 777 and some Goez(?) to burn up, and then I'll be on the search for a new powder.
Keep in mind that substitutes will loose a little power over time while traditional black powder never does. The charge of T-7 also needs to be about 10% less than either Pyrodex or Goex normally is, for instance, if your most accurate charge with Goex is 25 grains you'd use about 22.5 grains of T-7.
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Old 03-17-2012, 04:42 PM
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Perfect, thanks SFT!. I've always heard that 777 burns a bit hotter and build up a bit more pressure then traditional BP. I hope to get out to the range tomorrow afternoon, report to follow...

Bill in OR
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Old 05-06-2012, 06:51 AM
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Got her to the range...

....yesterday. This is the 5 1/2" Sheriff's model (not my 7 1/2" target). It's POI was so low as to be unusable. Test group - 5" low and one inch left at 25 yards off a solid pistol rest. Out came the file, slowly I fired and filed until the POA matched the POI (but it is still one inch left and I can live with that!). Of course there are trade offs, with the 45LC converter cylinder in place it hits 4" high (and 1" left) using cowboy loads and a 200gr F/N bullet. That is OK by me because Black Powder will be the primary propellant for this gun and it is now sighted in to hit POI /POA with a 30 - 35 gr load of Pyrodex, Speer .451 RB set over a felt wad and topped with either Pyrodex or T/C Bore butter. It does not seem to make any difference on the POI if I use Elephant, Pyrodex or 777 (I reduce the 777 to 25 - 30gr), at least not at 25 yards. It does not seem to care if I use FF or FFF. I get a slight shift of POI using the different powders but all have a POI within 1", and when you are getting 2-2 1/2" groups anyway it is not all that noticeable (especially when shooting off hand).

I took it to my hunting lake and laid waste to a few big carp working the shallows, they didn't notice any shift in POI either! This is rapidly becoming one of my favorite walk-a-bout guns. It is easier to carry then the 7 1/2" 1858 and should easily dispatch those dreaded attack Jack Rabbits in my area out to 30 yards or so.

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Old 05-26-2012, 06:38 AM
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Here is an old Gunsmithing trick that has served me very well over the years with customers guns that shot so high or low or wdely that this was the only solution: If the muzzlecrown is sufficiently wide, then you can place a centerpunch midway between the bore and the outside and while holding both the gun and the punch securely, hit the punch only one good rap with a ballpeen hammer. That is the method, but this is the proceedure: If the gun is shooting to the right then punch the muzzlcrown to the right of the bore. Punch and testfire repeatedly in the selfsame hole until the gun shoots true. Then file the crown to hide the dimple. Originally used on muzzleloaders, this works well on fixed site revolvers and even on modern rifles too.
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Old 06-03-2012, 06:44 AM
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Thanks Swampdoc!

I'll give that a go on the next range trip. I hate using Kentucky windage when a solid site picture is soooooooooooooooo much better.

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Bill
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Old 06-04-2012, 06:36 PM
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....yesterday. This is the 5 1/2" Sheriff's model (not my 7 1/2" target). It's POI was so low as to be unusable. Test group - 5" low and one inch left at 25 yards off a solid pistol rest. Out came the file, slowly I fired and filed until the POA matched the POI (but it is still one inch left and I can live with that!). Of course there are trade offs, with the 45LC converter cylinder in place it hits 4" high (and 1" left) using cowboy loads and a 200gr F/N bullet. That is OK by me because Black Powder will be the primary propellant for this gun and it is now sighted in to hit POI /POA with a 30 - 35 gr load of Pyrodex, Speer .451 RB set over a felt wad and topped with either Pyrodex or T/C Bore butter. It does not seem to make any difference on the POI if I use Elephant, Pyrodex or 777 (I reduce the 777 to 25 - 30gr), at least not at 25 yards. It does not seem to care if I use FF or FFF. I get a slight shift of POI using the different powders but all have a POI within 1", and when you are getting 2-2 1/2" groups anyway it is not all that noticeable (especially when shooting off hand).

I took it to my hunting lake and laid waste to a few big carp working the shallows, they didn't notice any shift in POI either! This is rapidly becoming one of my favorite walk-a-bout guns. It is easier to carry then the 7 1/2" 1858 and should easily dispatch those dreaded attack Jack Rabbits in my area out to 30 yards or so.

Bill in OR
To move the group a little to the right you can widen the rear notch on the right side. Just take a little bit each time until it hits true. Done this a number of times and worked perfectly.

If you get another fixed sight 1858, look for one with a dovetailed front sight. You can drift those for windage.
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Old 06-09-2012, 05:21 PM
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Thanks Ironhead! I'd forgotten...

.....that little trick. I have a set of jewelers files that will be perfect for doing that!

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