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Old 04-22-2012, 09:05 AM
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I need a 50 cal. conical mold for muzzleloaders of about 450 grs. Anyone know of a source? I'm drawing a blank.

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Old 04-22-2012, 10:40 AM
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Both Lyman and Lee will get you close to 400, but noyhing in the 450 range in a .50 caliber. Good luck.
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Old 04-22-2012, 11:57 AM
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I currently have a 370 gr. from Lyman but it needs to be heavier than that to regulate in my double rifle. I found this place on line, anyone know anything about them?

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Old 04-22-2012, 03:44 PM
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Tom's molds are very high quality molds.He is FAST.
Accurate at this time don't offer pointed or roundnose designs.
I contacted Tom last year about a mold for my Trapdoor & had it in less than a week.
Your choice of aluminum,brass or steel blocks.The alingment pins are stainless as
are the alinment pin bushings in the opposite mold face.
If he don't have what you are looking for chances are he can work with you .to design
something to meet your needs
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Old 04-22-2012, 05:06 PM
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Mountain Molds Cast Bullet Molds

Try mountain molds. They used to make a real nice .503 mold that threw a 495 grain. Excellent bullet. We shoot them in our White Rifles. Also Lee Molds once made a mold for me (and other White Rifle owners) and it is a .504 diameter and throws a 450 grain pure lead bullet. They might have extra molds around. It would not hurt to ask. I use mine and have been very pleased with the quality of the mold and the conical it throws.
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Old 04-23-2012, 04:08 AM
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Runnin', thank you!!! I had asked on another forum and your sentiments echo theirs. He certainly has a wide selection and the pictures another gentleman posted, and the bullets form the molds, looked very good.

Cayugad, thanks for your information also. That's about the weight I'm going to need, I believe.
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Old 04-23-2012, 05:34 AM
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It sounds like you have an idea of just what weight you need but are not sure.
Kinda like a krap shoot.
An option tht you could use would be to go with a 2 cavity & have him cut 1 of each.
It would run about $15 more for 2 different cuts+theadditional cost of a 2 cavity mold BUT it would increase the odds to end up with what would endup working.It would cost more but could be much cheaper in the long run.
The only down side I see is you wouldn't be able to sell off the one that did not work as well as the other for your needs.
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Old 04-23-2012, 08:05 AM
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If you want to make sure some of the heavy bullets will shoot for you.. contact No Excuses Conical out of Roy Utah. They sell .503 diameter in a 460 and 495 grain for a .50 caliber. Try them first and see how well they shoot. Might give you an idea of what mold to shoot.
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Old 04-28-2012, 11:46 AM
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Lee Mold - .500 S&W 440gr works great! They cast at about 454 grains with soft lead.
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Thanks everyone for the advice and info. It is appreciated. Tom, from Accurate molds, and I had about a 4 day long conversation through e-mail and he re-introduced me to the Greenhill formula. About the longest bullet that will stabilize in a 1-48 twist is .85 long. Granted, rifles are individuals and you can't know until you try but the thought of spending maybe 4-5 hundred on molds to learn wasn't very appealing. He "ran the numbers" and came up with the heaviest .85 long bullet he could make and still have adequate lube grooves. It is his 51-450H and I ordered it yesterday.

Just for grins and giggles here's the best composite group I've been able to get from the rifle. Barrels are still crossing but I'm closing in on it!!! I HOPE the heavier bullet makes the difference. The darn rifle is picky!!!

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Old 04-29-2012, 01:38 PM
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I never tried a double brl rifle ,Would it also hep for fine tuning to use a lighter or heavier charge in one barrel ?
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That's always a possibility Runnin' and yes it can, sometimes. I tried that very thing yesterday but I'm about at the lightest charge, 70 grs., that I want to be at. I dropped to 60 in the left barrel and had literally no movement L-R. With this Lyman conical accuracy falls off at 90 grs. and regulation gets really ugly. This is my first endeavor with a double muzzleloader and I've learned quite a bit about shooting conicals already. 99.9% of my ML shooting is PRB. I've been working and playing with BPC doubles from the late 1800's to the earliest 1900's, the ones a person USED to be able to afford, about 20 years. This ML double has become almost like a BPC rifle without the cartridge case. Of course once the new mold gets here I may almost be starting over.
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Cabelas Hawken .50cal 1:48 with 70gr Pyrodex RS, lubed veg wad, 454gr Lee conical i cast from that 500 S&W mold that ran $28.

100Yards open sights.

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'gander, I looked at that mold and bullet and I just don't see enough or deep enough lube grooves in it to carry enough lube to keep the fouling soft. I believe I would have to resort to a grease cookie and honestly, I don't want to add another step to the loading process if I can keep from it. I expect it's a good smokeless powder or fake black powder bullet, it should be. I certainly like the shape and meplat. I like this better.

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You don't need a lot of lube on conicals. In fact, the more grease you have, you'll have more issues with sticky fouling causing hard loading. I can load and shoot that bullet all day long with 70gr pyrodex rs and the lubed wad.
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Hi, first post. I know this is an old post, but i am interested in casting pure lead S&W .500 and shooting it with my Cabela's .50 muzzleloader rifle with 1-48 twist. FrontierGander shows shooting this round with a lubed wad. Question, can I shoot this also if I lube the bullet itself without using a wad? Are there any issues with this? Thanks-John
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Hi, first post. I know this is an old post, but i am interested in casting pure lead S&W .500 and shooting it with my Cabela's .50 muzzleloader rifle with 1-48 twist. FrontierGander shows shooting this round with a lubed wad. Question, can I shoot this also if I lube the bullet itself without using a wad? Are there any issues with this? Thanks-John
All you can do is try. If you have no wad.. get some corn meal flour. Dump the powder... tap the butt of the rifle on your toe to level the powder charge. Then dump 20 grains of corn meal. Then load the lubed conical. Try that. If it don't work, make corn muffins...
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I currently have a 370 gr. from Lyman but it needs to be heavier than that to regulate in my double rifle. I found this place on line, anyone know anything about them?

Accurate Molds: Custom Bullet Molds

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Looking at the molds you have high lighted.. what is the largest diameter of that conical? That really looks like a nice bullet.
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Old 01-26-2013, 03:27 AM
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Cayugad, within limits Tom will cut them to whatever dia. you request. The one I bought last spring was #51-450H and is a tapered bullet. The one I'm measuring starts at .493 for the base band and the front driving band is .510 and still has 3 deep lube grooves of .011 in width as best I can measure and I 'm not certain of the depth. It is certain they carry plenty of lube for BP. How the wanna-be substitutes would perform I have no idea....or interest. Length is .850 on the button. I ran the bullets through sizing dies from .500 to .508 in .002 increments looking for the best combination for the clunky Pedersoli.

Since purchasing that first mold from Tom, the one above, I have bought 3 others for use in the German double rifles, drillings and combination guns I own. I have nothing but praise for his molds and if needed I will purchase all future molds from Tom. With aluminum blocks they are no more expensiver than Lyman or RCBS and you can order exactly what you need/want. For the old German firearms I am currently acquiring and working with often a custom mold is the only course one has. Having Tom cut the molds to diameters and weights I need for these old rifles, very good to fine results have been readily obtained.

After a lot of burned powder and lead sent downrange I did finally find a load that was usable in the Pedersoli, 3 to 3 1/2 in. at 50 yards and still crossing, (rather deplorable for even a cheap German or British double) I won't call it good but it can be hunted with. IF one wants to use the two rear sights, one for each barrel, then the composite group could be tightened up quite a bit. But, using seperate sights for seperate barrels flys in the face of all that is good and proper and correct about double rifles. One thing is unequivocal.....beyond a shadow of a doubt.....unarguable....and that is that the only thing for which this Pedersoli fit is to melt down for parts to make a German or British double rifle. The ONLY thing they have in common is that they have two barrels, triggers and locks. It so far beneath their quality as to be indescribable.
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