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Old 12-26-2012, 10:54 AM
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Hey guys,

First time on the shootersforum. Looks like there is plenty to learn on here. I am looking forward to it. I am brand new to muzzleloaders. I understand their operation, but I have never owned one before.

To kick things off, I have a question or two on my new ML that my wife purchased for me for Christamas. It is a Traditions Pursuit Ambush in 50 cal. I didn't want to go too expensive on my first break, in-line ML, but hopefully it's a good shooter. I am looking to use it mainly during muzzleloader season here in MN.

Therefore, I am looking for open sights for it. I would like to find a good peep sight. I checked Williams sights, hoping to find the Peep fp model that would fit traditions ML's but I couldn't find a thing. Is anyone using a peep sight on their Traditions rifles?

Since this is my first ML, I am looking for powder and slug recommendations. I was thinking of starting off with the Hornady SST 250s and Black Horn 209 powder and primers.

Any way,
I am sure you guys get a ton of newbie questions on here but we all start somewhere. Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks guys!

Shawn
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Old 12-26-2012, 12:00 PM
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Hey guys,

First time on the shootersforum. Looks like there is plenty to learn on here. I am looking forward to it. I am brand new to muzzleloaders. I understand their operation, but I have never owned one before.

To kick things off, I have a question or two on my new ML that my wife purchased for me for Christamas. It is a Traditions Pursuit Ambush in 50 cal. I didn't want to go too expensive on my first break, in-line ML, but hopefully it's a good shooter. I am looking to use it mainly during muzzleloader season here in MN.

Therefore, I am looking for open sights for it. I would like to find a good peep sight. I checked Williams sights, hoping to find the Peep fp model that would fit traditions ML's but I couldn't find a thing. Is anyone using a peep sight on their Traditions rifles?

Since this is my first ML, I am looking for powder and slug recommendations. I was thinking of starting off with the Hornady SST 250s and Black Horn 209 powder and primers.

Any way,
I am sure you guys get a ton of newbie questions on here but we all start somewhere. Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks guys!

Shawn
Shawn, Welcome to the forum.
Doesn't your gun come with open sights? Everyone I've seen has open sights on the gun, even the package guns with scopes have open sights.
If you want a Williams receiver sight in the FP series, they don't catalog one for this gun. They do offer a WGRS sight with a ghost ring and twin fiber optic dot for about half the price of the FP series.
Hornady's aren't my preferred projectile for performance on game reasons but they shoot very well as far as accuracy. I'll get a lot of repsonse to that statement but that's just my personal observation and opinion. I've spent countless hours testing bullets, sabots, and powders and have an extensive record of results for everything tested. I shoot a Savage ML2 which will use either smokeless, black powder, or black powder substitutes. My preferred game bullet is Hornady XTP 250 and 300 grain pistol bullets. These have proven to be devestating on whitetails and I've mostly gotten DRT results. I've used a variety of sabots but my favorites are MMP and Harvester. You need to try different sabots with different bullets to see what your gun likes the best. Blackhorn 209 is an outstanding choice of powder. If you're going to be using this gun where scopes are legal, you'll get your best accuracy with a decent scope on this gun. When you factor in the cost of a good set of open sights, a decent (not great but very decent scope will run you about the same amount of money. FYI: if you do have open sights on this gun and are simply looking to replace the rear sight, you may need to replace the front sight as well due to the rear sight probably being higher than the one already on the gun. Adding a rear sight such as the WGRS series requires a base and this will raise the height of the rear sight. This will make the front sight too low and as a result you will be shooting high. Just something to think about. Good luck and have fun.
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Old 12-26-2012, 12:46 PM
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Shawn, Welcome to the forum.
Doesn't your gun come with open sights? Everyone I've seen has open sights on the gun, even the package guns with scopes have open sights.
If you want a Williams receiver sight in the FP series, they don't catalog one for this gun. They do offer a WGRS sight with a ghost ring and twin fiber optic dot for about half the price of the FP series.
Hornady's aren't my preferred projectile for performance on game reasons but they shoot very well as far as accuracy. I'll get a lot of repsonse to that statement but that's just my personal observation and opinion. I've spent countless hours testing bullets, sabots, and powders and have an extensive record of results for everything tested. I shoot a Savage ML2 which will use either smokeless, black powder, or black powder substitutes. My preferred game bullet is Hornady XTP 250 and 300 grain pistol bullets. These have proven to be devestating on whitetails and I've mostly gotten DRT results. I've used a variety of sabots but my favorites are MMP and Harvester. You need to try different sabots with different bullets to see what your gun likes the best. Blackhorn 209 is an outstanding choice of powder. If you're going to be using this gun where scopes are legal, you'll get your best accuracy with a decent scope on this gun. When you factor in the cost of a good set of open sights, a decent (not great but very decent scope will run you about the same amount of money. FYI: if you do have open sights on this gun and are simply looking to replace the rear sight, you may need to replace the front sight as well due to the rear sight probably being higher than the one already on the gun. Adding a rear sight such as the WGRS series requires a base and this will raise the height of the rear sight. This will make the front sight too low and as a result you will be shooting high. Just something to think about. Good luck and have fun.
I appreciate the reply.

I will double check my package, but there were no open sights mounted on my ML. It did come with a traditions scope. Not sure how good their scopes are. Minnesota only allows "open sights" during muzzleloader seasons. I can utilize a scope if I use my ML during firearm season. I plan on using open sights for the most part. Should I call Traditions and have them send me open sights if I don't find any? Or am I better off with something else?

Thank you for the bullet and sabot recommendations. I will try some of each. It looks like load testing is going to be spendy, but hopefully well worth the investment.

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Old 12-26-2012, 01:12 PM
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Shawn, is your gun drilled and tapped for sights? I do see a Pursuit model, the new Ultra Light, that doesn't come with sights. It's a scoped packaged gun. If it is drilled and tapped, I'd call the manufacturer and see how much the sights are for the gun. I'm sure you'd have less trouble using a set made for the gun than starting with something else. To be honest, I've never seen a bad set of fiber optic sights on any brand of muzzle loader. They're all pretty decent for what they were designed for. If and when you get this gun shooting really great groups (I hope you get to that point...takes some work) you can think about a peep sight and different front sight. I personally don't think there is an advantage getting a peep to use to hunt deer. They are a pretty decent sized target and usually shot at fairly close ranges. I myself would have no problem using factory sights up to as far as you are likely to shoot at a deer keeping in mind this isn't a flat shooting varmit gun. I've shot deer as far as 167 yards with factory open sights and didn't feel handicapped. The biggest problem shooting at longer ranges is knowing the range and the bullet drop at those ranges. These things really arc at the weights and velocities the bullets are moving at. Let me suggest you visit a website called dougsmessageboards.proboards.com This site is dedicated to muzzle loading, shooting, loads, guns, sabots, etc. There is a wealth of knowledge to be gained there if you are starting out.

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Old 12-26-2012, 01:51 PM
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The gun is tapped for open sights. I will give Traditions a call. Thanks for your assistance.

Shawn
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Old 12-27-2012, 07:37 AM
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Usually when they come with a a scope package, they don't send the sights. Remove the scope and I think the sights will mount right on.

Check Tru Glow Fiber Optics.. they make a lot of nice muzzleloader sights, including a peep sight. Or like you said.. call Traditions.
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Old 12-28-2012, 04:47 AM
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I live near Williams gun sight company. I will terll you they are some very helpfull people and will bend over back wards to try to full ]fill your wants or needs Go to their web site and in the upper right hand corner there is a 800 phone number. Give them a call and see what they can do for you. They maybe be able to mount a peep sight on your rifle if you send them the reciever.

I really like my peep sights, they allow me to be able to shoot open sights with my old tired eyes.

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