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Old 10-26-2006, 12:39 AM
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Montana joins Wyoming in Asking Idaho to outlaw Game farms

Here's the latest news from Boise about the canned hunt elk farms in Idaho. It still slays me that someone would pay 10,000 plus dollars to kill a fenced farm raised elk and call it a trophy hunt. More like a trophy butchering.

Montana governor urges Idaho to ban game farms, hunting reserves


October 25, 2006 6:32 PM

The Associated Press

BOISE, Idaho Montana Governor Brian Schweitzer is joining his Wyoming counterpart in asking Idaho to outlaw elk farming and private elk hunting reserves to protect the three states' shared resource of Yellowstone elk herds.

In Boise today to stump for Democrats, Schweitzer says he wholeheartedly agrees with Wyoming Governor Dave Freudenthal's call earlier this month for Idaho lawmakers to ban domestic elk breeding.

Farm-raised elk are prohibited in Montana and Wyoming.

In August, an estimated 160 domesticated elk escaped from a private hunting reserve in eastern Idaho near Yellowstone National Park.

Idaho Governor Jim Risch says those animals threaten the genetic purity and health of wild elk herds.

But Kent Bagley of the Idaho Elk Breeders Association says farm-raised elk are regularly tested for disease and most descended from wild Yellowstone bloodlines.
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It's called bragging rights, Bob -

Once the rack is on the wall, the "hunter" can tell any tale he wants.
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Old 10-26-2006, 08:46 AM
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Now come on, Rulon Jones is a nice guy and a football hero to boot!
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jackfish, ol Rulon is blocking a lot of good hunting in that area that should not be blocked.

We DON'T need no canned hunts in Idaho.
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Old 10-27-2006, 12:29 PM
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I guess I should have put some kind of smilie on that post cause I don't know how to write anymore sarcastically.
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I guess I should have put some kind of smilie on that post cause I don't know how to write anymore sarcastically.
I enjoyed that one.

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Old 10-28-2006, 03:39 AM
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I guess I should have put some kind of smilie on that post cause I don't know how to write anymore sarcastically.
No problem jackfish, heh, heh, heh. You still write a lot better than I do.
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Old 10-28-2006, 06:14 AM
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I guess I should have put some kind of smilie on that post cause I don't know how to write anymore sarcastically.
Emoticons, Jackfish, emoticons!!!



That should about cover it
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Men Who Hunt On Farms

Men Who Hunt On Farms Should Just Look On Ebay And Buy A Mount Then Put It Up On The Wall Then Tell The Same Old Bull**** Stories How He Dropped It At 350 Yards With One Shot, Then Packed It Out 8 Miles. :d




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I suppose you guys have seen the "trophy" elk pic circulating the internet? It came across my email stating something like: "New world record elk taken in the Selway-Bitteroot wilderness area by a bowhunter." It was apparently green-scored around 575. It was a real elk alright, but scoring something like 150 points higher than any previous elk out of the Selway-Bitteroot. Turns out it was a canned "hunt" on a game farm in Ontario, the elk all mineraled-up. They figure the proud "hunter" had to pay somewhere in the neighborhood of $75,000-$100,000 for that elk. Rumor probably started by some outfitter in the Selway-Bitteroot that needed to book some hunts this fall.

I got that same email from numerous places about 10 times in a week and finally started replying with the article from the Spokesman Review (Spokane, WA) that explained it all. Aaaarrrhhh! Internet abuse!
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What - information in anonymous emails not being 100% correct?!?!?!?!?!?!

Perish the thought!

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We wouldn't have all this contraversy if the States made it mandatory for the Game Farms to install Doggie Doors in the fences so the newly introduced Wolves could have access to their natural prey. (There wouldn't be that many to escape into the wild.) It might also releive preassure on the native Elk as well.
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What - information in anonymous emails not being 100% correct?!?!?!?!?!?!

Perish the thought!

You mean all that legal, medical, and engineering advice I got from the 'net may not be accurate?!!

Here's a pic of that big elk, and the email "story" that went with it.

"This Elk was killed with a bow in the Selway-Bitterroot
Wilderness. He green scored 575" and should net out at about 530" nontypical. He has and unbelievable outside spread of 79". This is the biggest bull ever taken with any weapon."


However, here is the real story:

"By Rich Landers

Outdoors editor

The Spokesman-Review

News travels fast by the Internet and e-mail. So do rumors and lies.

The latest hunting-related fib to come across my computer screen is a photo of two hunters with a monster elk accompanied by this message:

"This Elk was killed with a bow in the Selway-Bitterroot Wilderness. He green scored 575 .... He has an unbelievable outside spread of 79 inches. This is the biggest bull ever taken with any weapon."

The reference to the Selway is the first clue that at least some of the information is bogus.

"That was a big red flag to us," said Brad Compton, Idaho Fish and Game Department big-game manager who also had received the digital image.

"That would be 150 points bigger than any bull that's ever come out of the Selway. It's too farfetched."

"Anybody who knows anything about Selway elk could take one look at that bull and know that information is wrong," said Ryan Hatfield of the Boone and Crockett Club in Missoula. Hatfield, who just finished researching and publishing a book about trophy elk taken in Idaho, said he'd received at least 150 e-mails regarding the so-called Selway elk in the past few days.

After some sleuthing on Tuesday and a tip from a game rancher in Riggins, I found the source of the photo and the bull: Laurentian Wildlife Estate, which has operated as a shooter-bull ranch for six years near Mont Tremblant, Quebec, Canada.

In a telephone interview, Laurentian manager Tony Barber (at left in the

photo) said his California client killed the bull earlier this year inside the 1,000-acre estate, which is enclosed by a game-proof fence to hold the domestically produced elk and red deer.

The elk is a Manitoba strain, not the Rocky Mountain subspecies native to Idaho, Barber said while offering the following details.

The bull was 10 years old and weighed 595 pounds. Its non-typical antlers had 12 points on one side, 9 on the other with an outside spread of 79 inches.


The bull has been monitored closely as it matured. "We picked up its shed antlers last year and they measured 516 (Boone and Crockett points)," Barber said.

Here are other numbers to ponder:

Barber said the bull's Boone and Crockett score is at least 560 green, that is, before the drying and shrinkage required for official scoring.

(Two unofficial measurers scored it 566 and 561 green, he said.)

For comparison, the Boone and Crockett world record bull, found floating dead in Upper Arrow Lake, British Columbia, scored 465 2/8.

The biggest fair-chase bull to be taken by a hunter came from Arizona.

It scored 450 6/8.

Cost to hunt elk on the Quebec shooter-bull operation starts at $4,900, but prices for trophy bulls are negotiated, as Barber put it, "into the high five-digits."

If the unofficial measurements hold up, the bull's dry-score antlers "would be the biggest ever taken by a hunter," Barber said.

Most sportsmen, however, take exception to his reference to "hunter."

Indeed, sportsmen who hunt the old-fashioned way for elk that run wild and free won't have to compete in the official North American record books against this farm-raised specimen.

"Boone and Crockett does not keep hunting records of animals that come from behind escape-proof fencing," Hatfield said.

You can contact Rich Landers by voice mail at 459-5577, extension 5508, or e-mail to richl@spokesman.com"
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