I just read most of this thread, pretty interesting read.

I also second what Irv S said above. My 94 has gone through three sight systems in the past year. When I bought it many years ago I immediately removed the factory rear sight and replaced it with a Williams Foolproof. I settled on one of their Twilight Apertures, the one with the brass ring and .120" aperture.

That system wasn't bad but when fooling around at the range, where there is a roof over the benches so no direct light got to the bead it was washing out terribly. Wasn't working at all well with 63 yr. old eyes.

I hunted up a Lyman 17a front sight which was the right height and put that on with one of the larger aperture inserts. That was an improvement but I never got "quick" with it. Good accuracy if in no hurry, just not(to me) a good hunting sight.

Latest incarnation was to pull off the 17a and replace it with a 1/16", red, Williams "Fire Sight" fiberoptic. That works for me. Very fast acquisition, aceptably accurate and seems to work fine in lower light conditions.

Another vote for the fire sight.
I am pleased to read your post.
How does the sight work in bright light - especially with light at your back?
When you are shoooting at targets are you using a 6 o’clock hold?

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I have thought quite a bit about this. What type of target do you use with a red dot for sighting in?
For offhand practice does the red dot show up well on a black Bullseye or are you better oof with a soft color such as brown or green for a Bullseye?

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Slim, you wouldn't happen to have sight codes for the Marbles V-M, would you? Stroebel's book only gives them brief mention.

I cannot put my traveling laptop on the internet for some reason, software problem - at least it appears to be.
Looked at everything I have and cannot come up with a code.
The aperture is 5/32” in diameter. The outside diameter is ¼”.
The face and the inside are colred “Popes Island Gold” a coating developed by Harry Pope.
My best guess on the height from the bottom of the base to the bottom of the outer ring is about 1/8”.

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Sorry to be inactive but work unexpectadly ramped up.

In the shooting world my best undertaking ever has been to teach my 9 and 11 year old girls to shoot! I bought them a Daisy lever action Avanti 499 BB musket. It is peep sighted and Dad shots it too! We shortened the stock and the girls are shooting good groups already. They took to peep sights naturally. We shoot in the garage and practice strict safety and range rules learned in the Canadian Armed Forces.

I also bought a Weihrauch HW55 pellet rifle with a target style diopter sight. The rear position of the peep is really nice but the hole is tiny.

I'm going to be testing myself on iron sights using pellet rifles. It is just a bunch simpler.

Bob,

My computer problems have kept me off line or using "hot spots" for several weeks now.
AI am playing with a wire rest as described in the March 1934 issues of the American Rifleman. I made mine out of two aluminum uprights held to the table with C-clamps. I am using cotton cord. My first uprights were not flexible enough. I used lighter material and it gave the uprights the "give" needed to form the "V" in the rest.
A shooter named Philip Plaistridge "invented" or re-discovered the rest.
It works for me but not as well as a solid rest. This rest would have been handy when I was driving to the range in my MGB and had little room for all of my gear.
Its something to think about.
I'll take a picture of mine but here is a drawing.

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Sorry for slow reply, I haven't been on line recreationally much lately. I used the red dot on standard black and white paper targets. It works fine in the shade, but sometimes it washes out a little in the brightest light .

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Interesting idea Slim.

I am travelling in a Jeep TJ and room is at a premium with my safety gear, suitcases and such. I am working on a crossed stick like the English use on some youtube vids.

However my Jeeps hood and a pack works the best.

In preperation for tuning hunting style training I'm going to eliminate aiming points. I've worked with pieces of cardboard 12X18 or 20 to represent a deer profile. Then I glue 8.5X11 copy paper recycles to the back (your idea) to correspond to the location of the heart lung on a deer side profile. Then I visualize my aim point and call my shot.

So far only really tried 3X4.5 pieces at 25 yards with the pellet gun to represent the larger target at 100 yards, dismal success to be honest. I have become a terrible shot and in need of some serious practice. One of the ways they control shooters in Canada is to make the rules regarding gun ranges too expensive to obey even for busy clubs. All the ranges in range for driving are not open for new membership!

Bob,

Try the link below and look for: “The Art of Deer Stalking by William Scropes. This book is from about 1838 and the hunting described is with muzzle loading rifles.

The Gillis were some “Wild Scots” there is no doubt.

The important part of the book as far as sights are concerned is really Chapter 4 starting on book page 121 or Adobe page 155. The whole chapter is interesting from the hunting standpoint. The use of sights, practice at shooting and thoughts on the use of ramrods under the pressure of hunting.



A bit off subject but the thoughts on how little a deer stalker should eat are interesting.

The thoughts on what makes a good deer stalker are fascinating. You needed to be physically fit and have the hunter’s attitude to become a hunter in Scotland.

“Should the deer-stalker eat and stuff? – should he pamper the inward man? Shades of Abernethy forbid! He should go forth lank and lean like a greyhound….”



The details of what makes a good game shot are scattered throughout the book with short paragraphs well worth searching out. “The most perfect and celebrated sportsmen never succeed in killing deer without practice…..”



The thoughts on typical shooting distance have relevance today for open country shooting. Few shots taken at less than 100-yards, few shots taken over 200-yards.



There are interesting stories such as John Selwyn leaping from his hose to the back of a running stag and guiding the beast near to Queen Elizabeth before dispatching it with his sword – shades of Sir Samuel Baker running a deer down on foot!



If you read the book you will read the tale of Merlin Sylvester, the Wild….



One last bit of wandering. “As for sleep, he should be almost a stranger to it, activity being the great requisite; and if a man gets into the slothful habit of lying a-bed for five or six hours at a time, I should be glad to know what he is fit for in any other situation?”



I know your spare time is short at this time of year, I make time every day to read and this book is worth a look!


The art of deer-stalking - William Scrope - Google Books

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That's an interesting & entertaining read, Slim; thanks for posting it! I started it last evening.

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Mr Iorg: Interesting chart.

I saw this several years ago and it inspired me to recreate some of the perspective views with photos and cross hairs.

Until I found this post I did not know the original source for Stan de Treville's chart. I can also see the chart was designed to be viewed at 60 inches.

The silhouette of the elk (100 yards) should be 0.917 inches at the shoulder, viewed at 60 inches to represent an elk 55 inches at the shoulder 100 yards away. I don't agree with de Treville's data for avg. elk height, but that is a different issue.

None of the images I have seen before are scaled correctly, but who knows how many times, the images have been re-sized or changed resolution.

It appears the image of the chart you posted is from an original scan. If you have the actual chart, can you measure some of the animals, especially the 100 yard elk?

Thanks
T

A search for iron sights info led me to this site. Very good thread and very informative so I joined the site. Thanks!

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Better drawdown Alvin!

Talon, I'll measure it this week.
Welcome Drawdown.

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