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Old 12-11-2012, 01:09 PM
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Elk- roosevelt - rocky mountain.


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Rocky mountain elk are what most people think of when they think of an elk, I have never hunted them, nor have i seen one hang. I have read that a mature bull will weigh in around 700 pounds on the hoof. I would be interested in hearing what weight your rocky mountain elk are hanging at, and whether it is a cow, spike, rag bull, or a mature bull. -- If your elk was not weighed, and it is an estimation, i would like that to be clarified.

Same for roosevelts, my main purpose for this thread is to make a comparison of weight. Would also like to hear what cartridge and bullet were used.
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Old 12-11-2012, 02:37 PM
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Why was this moved? and why was it moved to THIS sub forum? Do you know where rocky mountain elk live? Not in the PNW. ThIs isnt a thread about hunting, its first and foremost about the weight differences between rocky mountain elk and roosevelt elk. rocky mountain elk are living on the east coast as well, im not even sure how many different regions they habitat. But i guess putting this in the PNW hunting thread will insure that no one looks at this.
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Old 12-11-2012, 02:40 PM
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Old 12-11-2012, 03:27 PM
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Iv had a mature cow hang at 415, spike this year hung at 310. Rest we butchered ourselves.
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Old 12-11-2012, 04:15 PM
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Out here we have Rocky Mountain elk. I've taken several, processed them myself, but never weighed any of them since my scale don't go that high. I have a chain hoist that will lift 11' in my home shop and that isn't high enough to get the elk's head and neck completely off the floor while hanging by the gimbal.

The only chambering I've used to take elk has been a 30-06 with 165 grain bullets. All handloaded...last one taken with an Accubond the previous ones with Hornady's 165 flatbases.
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Old 12-12-2012, 11:41 AM
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I live in Oregon too and have shoot both Roosevelt and Rocky Mountan Elk in Oregon. The Roosevelt seem have larger bodies and heavier antlers. The Rocky Mountan have longer antlers. That is comparing spikes to spikes and a couple five points of each. The Roosevelts are west of the crest of the Cascade Mountains and Rocky Mountain Elk are east of the crest. I have used a 7X57 for both with a 175 NP. Also have used a .50 cal. muzzle loader for Rocky Mountain Elk.
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Did you happen to get any of them on a scale? Most elk are taken out deboned or qaurtered and the few that do get out whole, only about half of them hit a scale. Thanks for your reply.
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Old 12-12-2012, 12:42 PM
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I cut up my own so I don't have any weights. I have packed most of them out on my back. A Roosevelt hind quarter is heavier then a Rocky Mountain.
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I think I remember being there on only one elk kill where we got an elk into the pickup whole (gutted). It was a cow, and it didn't get weighed.

I have at various times taken a bathroom scale out to the garage and hefted various elk quarters and stepped on the scale, bone-in, no hide, legs cut off at joint. These came out at 70-85 lbs, whether front or hind quarter, either mature cows or young-to-mature 5-point bull. I have yet to get a 'big' bull. So, 280 lbs - 340 lbs, quarters only, no hide, no neck, no guts, no lower legs, no head or horns.

I've heard a 'rule-of-thumb' that you can expect 1/4 the weight in pure deboned meat from the live weight of a deer or elk. I don't think that is quite right. I have gotten 150-200 lbs of processed meat (10% beef fat added to burger) from elk before (exception, see below). An 800 lb Rocky Mtn bull is BIG, and and the 1/4 rule doesn't quite measure up, in my experience.

One year, I shot a 'trophy' spike elk (18" spikes), and a big-bodied (not big horns, but an old deer) 4-point muley in N Idaho, on the same hunt. Gutting the elk, I commented that it was the smallest-bodied elk I had ever seen. Gutting the deer, we all agreed that it was the largest-bodied muley we had ever seen. In the end, there was 130 lbs of processed meat from the elk, and 100 lbs of meat from the muley.

I've never hunted Roosevelts.
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Old 12-13-2012, 02:04 PM
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Rocky mountain elk are what most people think of when they think of an elk, I have never hunted them, nor have i seen one hang. I have read that a mature bull will weigh in around 700 pounds on the hoof. I would be interested in hearing what weight your rocky mountain elk are hanging at, and whether it is a cow, spike, rag bull, or a mature bull. -- If your elk was not weighed, and it is an estimation, i would like that to be clarified.

Same for roosevelts, my main purpose for this thread is to make a comparison of weight. Would also like to hear what cartridge and bullet were used.
I have not hunted Roosevelt. My experience is with RM elk. Legal bulls where I hunt are 4x4 minimum. I do not weigh the elk though. I do have experience weighing other animals, deer, cows, steers, heifers and bulls, so I can make an estimate but not as accurate as I would like. A small 4x4 might be 600# but a large bull may be 750. The largest we have dealt with would probably be 900# plus 6x6. It was exceptionally large for NW Colorado. Gutted then cut in half and was still all 4 of us could do to get it in a truck. At the same time we threw a 5x5 smaller whole bull in on top of the larger one without any trouble. The 1/2 of the large one was heavier than the entire gutted small one. All that said means that I have seen great variability in the sizes.
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Old 12-15-2012, 01:43 PM
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Last year's cow elk was a RM elk harvested in NW Colorado. She weighed approximately 415 lbs. and was taken with my 300 WSM and 180 gr Speer Deepcurl bullet. 1 shot @ 265 yds.
A few yrs ago, in the same area, I shot a 4x4 bull RM elk with a 30-06 and 165 gr CT.
I would recommend the 180 Speer Deepcurl over the 165 gr CT anytime of taking elk. Although I was successful with both bullets. The Deepcurl dropped the animal much faster. The latter took awhile before going down.
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Last year's cow elk was a RM elk harvested in NW Colorado. She weighed approximately 415 lbs. and was taken with my 300 WSM and 180 gr Speer Deepcurl bullet. 1 shot @ 265 yds.
A few yrs ago, in the same area, I shot a 4x4 bull RM elk with a 30-06 and 165 gr CT.
I would recommend the 180 Speer Deepcurl over the 165 gr CT anytime of taking elk. Although I was successful with both bullets. The Deepcurl dropped the animal much faster. The latter took awhile before going down.
was that 415 on the hoof? or hanging?
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415 on the hoof.
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The tipical Roosevelt 2 1/2 year old bull runs about 450 lbs for the four skined out quarters. The heaviest cow I have weighed ran the same though most run 100 lbs less, spikes still less.
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Old 08-20-2013, 11:54 AM
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Ive seen quite a few weighed, or correctly checked in at the MI DNR check station. All elk are hoisted out of truck/off trailer and weighed. Only exceptions are those in PUs w/ cover on. Dont ask me how they get em in that situation. The cap must be taken off and elk put in, cause you cant push em or pull em into a capped PU, that I know of.

It takes a monster to go over 700, field dressed. I guesss over the years a couple have exceeded 700, but few. Season has been going on since mid 60s and about 80 are harvested every year, a few more as of late.

I keep applying for a tag and have decided that a 2 1/2 yr old will do fine. Field dress is about 400. Even the gravy is tender on that size.

The DNR takes some tissue samples and a couple of measurements. I dont unterstand the measurements-between ears or eye to ear, or both?? I believe they also collect the head of the non trophies.
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Old 08-20-2013, 05:38 PM
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I have taken several elk,cows and bulls-largest bull 4x4.Never weighed on the hoof,but can tell you cut and wrapped.Almost all cows were 220 lbs of meat +/- 10 lbs,bulls 30/40 lbs more.We(fellow hunters) had a cow that cut and wrapped at 345 lbs,without right front shoulder.(won't go into that).There are varations on size as you can see but most are about the same.
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I don't remember mine. The Rocky Mountain was 515, if I remember. That was quartered and partially de-boned.. He was a 7x6 bull.

Just to confuse things: My tule elk cow was 315, hanging, ungutted. My tule bull (an 8x7) was only about 415, hanging but ungutted.

BTW: I'm a wildlife biologist who lives in the Cascade Mountains of Washington. We do too have Rocky Mountain elk in Washington and in Oregon, both, east of the crest, and in the Blue Mountains. California gets a few once in a while come down from Oregon (besides in the Tejon Mountains and on the Channel Islands).
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Well Barkbuster I don't know exactly why you wanted this information but I can help in a small way. (weigh? smile). Many years ago my first cousin was the butcher in the local grocery store and he cut and wrapped all of the deer and elk that were brought in. He also rented freezer lockers in the back of the store. all deer and elk brought in were skinned and quartered and the 4 quarters weighed on the big scale so the customer would know exactly what the meat weighed. No head, hide, legs. I happened to notice after the season that of about 70 some elk, there were 53 spike elk. Last years calves. I had often heard people brag about the weight of their huge elk so I wrote down the exact weight (it was all posted on the wall) of the 53 spikes. Just meat, not whole nor field dressed. Let me give you some advise. If anyone wants to bet the weight of a spike elk, tell them the meat will weigh 215 lbs. You will win. the smaller ones dropped down towards s200 lbs and the very heviest was 233 lbs. a fat monster. lots in the 218 and 220 range. but on averate 215 lbs and not much standard deviation. I was suprised. The elk that I tagged this fall was my elk number 69 after 71 years of big game hunting. in comparison, my son Joseph shot a cow moose in Montana when he was 12 years old and we got 322 lbs of hamburger off of her. Where in Oregon do you live/hunt Bark? Jack
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I get to work at the MI DNR check station-mandatory.

Each elk is raised an weighed, with rare exception. Tissue samples are taken. The heads are taken except on the BIIIGGG ones. A measurement from the eye to some part of the head is taken.

A 700 pound elk is a MONSTER, field dressed.

I shot a moose in 67 and I dont exactly recall how he would have compared. I dont think he would have topped that, quite certain.

The exception to an elk being weighed is when they come in, in a pickup undera topper?? I always wonder how in the heck they got em in there to start with>?? They must have removed the cover, put the elk in and then bolted the topper on. Next time that happens Im going to ask one of my famous 'dumb questions'?
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