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Old 11-17-2004, 08:01 AM
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I am comparing a couple of different power scopes and wanted to get feedback on the suggested power of scope to use for ranges out to 500 yards max. I don't want to spend more on an 8-25 power scope if a 4-16 will work fine. I'm looking at Mueller's 4-16x50 red dot ($169) and their 8.5-25x50 ($200) and also a World Class Plus. It will be mounted on a 12FVSS in 223. Thanks
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Old 11-17-2004, 12:29 PM
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hi, i have a 12flvss (left hand) in 22-250 with the world class plus in 8x32-40 and love the set up. you will see hits and bullet holes. the scopes are around $140 up on ebay new. they are not made anymore but there are some still new in the box on ebay.......
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Old 11-18-2004, 07:20 AM
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Thanks, sounds like you don't miss the show and that's what I want. At what rang have you seen or made hits and what was the power set to on the scope?
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His eyes must be better than mine. I have a Springfield Gov't 6-20 ($650) on an AR-15 and a Leupold VXIII LR 8.5-25 ($830) on a .50 BMG. At 500 yards I can barely make out the .50 BMG holes in the target and then only if they are in the white. The 5.56, forget about it. Even the Leupold spotting scope at 45x doesn't pick them up. With lesser quality lenses (which is where the money is) I serioulsy doubt you will be able to see any holes whatsoever at 500 yards, and very unlikely at 300 yards.

As far as power goes, both rifles are way overscoped for just putting bullets in the target, especially when the mirage rolls in. Then they turned back to no higher than 12x. A lot of 1000 yard shooters in the FCSA got by for many years shooting the Leupold Mk. 4 boosted to 16 x by Precision Reticle. At 500 yards, 16x is more than enough and 12 x is no handicap.
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Old 11-18-2004, 10:07 AM
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So having the topic broke down by Big Bore, it may make sincce to save on the extremely high power and go with a 4-16 or 6-18 power scope. I would have not thought that you cannot see a 50 cal. hole at 4x let alone 16x. The mueller scope is supposed to be good for a 223 to 50 bmg at least that's what the web site state and if true the 4-16x50 should suit my 223 fine. Any opinions?
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Old 11-18-2004, 12:28 PM
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So having the topic broke down by Big Bore, it may make sincce to save on the extremely high power and go with a 4-16 or 6-18 power scope. I would have not thought that you cannot see a 50 cal. hole at 4x let alone 16x. The mueller scope is supposed to be good for a 223 to 50 bmg at least that's what the web site state and if true the 4-16x50 should suit my 223 fine. Any opinions?
With either the Springfield or the Leupold, those .50 BMG holes are mighty small at 500 yards and even at max power, 20x and 25x, they barely show up. Even at 45x through the spotter they are not all that easy to see (I think the resolution in the spotter is not near as good as it is in the scopes; it is the cheaper WindRiver Leupold spotter). At 1000 yards I have never heard of any scope or spotter that will let you see 1/2 inch holes.
Standing up to recoil is only part of the story when it comes to scopes. The ability of a scope to be able to define two points as being separate is the resolution of the scope, and the higher the resolution, the higher the cost. While simple power is easy and cheap to build into a scope, the resolution and flatness of image throughout the optical field (no bends or curves at the edges of the field of view) is where most of the extra money goes into the high dollar scopes.
I have no doubt that the scope you are thinking about in the 4-16 or 6-18 will allow you to not only see your target fairly well but also make accurate shots on it. The only thing that I suspect you will have problems with is seeing the bullet holes even at ranges as close as 300 yards. If these scopes have the resolution ability to see .224 bullet holes at 300 yards and further for the price you are looking at, then I would have to rank them as one of the best deals you will come across.
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