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Old 01-07-2005, 09:22 AM
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Leupold VX-II vs. Bushnell Elite 3200


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I am looking at buying a 3x9x50mm scope for my BLR Lightning 30-06 and am trying to decide between the Leupold and the Elite 3200.

I have a Leupold VX-I on my Marlin 1895GS and have been happy with it. The only Bushnells I have owned have been their inexpesive Sportsman models but have had no problems with them so far.

I'm hearing a lot of good things about the Elite scopes these days. The Elite 3200 is about 80 bucks cheaper than the VX-II so that's a plus but is the quality any better or worse? I was already prepare to spend the extra $80.

My first thought was to go with the Leupold but the more I read about the Elites the more I'm tempted to go that way. Another nice thing about the Elite is that the magnification is actually 3x9 where the Leupold is like 3.3x8.6 or something.

Are any of you finding the Firefly reticle useful?

Any comments on which way to go on this?

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Old 01-07-2005, 12:12 PM
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Dean,

I put that exact scope on my BLR. (mine is a .308) I really liked the Firefly rectile so much better than anything I have had before. I was very satisfied with my scope until it started shifting POI. I ended up having to send it back to them. But here is the great thing about buy and Elite scope from Bushnell. Any time durring the first year of purchase if you keep your recipt Bushnell will give you 100% of your money back no questions asked if you are not satisfied with it. Personally I think I just got a lemon, all companies throw one out every now and then. I would have no trouble buying another one. I was going to till I got a little extra cash and ended up putting a VX-III 2.5x8x36 on my BLR. I strongly reccomend the Bushnell Elite 3200s to everyone I know that is buying a scope. They do have a good product, and their Customer service was top notch. Within 3 weeks of sending my scope back to them I had a check in my mailbox.
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Old 08-07-2006, 04:36 PM
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Bushnell Vs Leupold

The Bushnell 3200 are a pretty good scope for the $ and they do have good customer sservice. Is the Bushnell a 3-9x50 as well? I like the Leupold between the two side by side (also great customer service and warranty) - but I hear what your saying about the $80 price difference. You can get into a Sightron SII 3-9x42 and have an illuminated reticle for about $240.
The Firefly is really neat. A good concept and I am surprised more companies haven't tried to do something like this - just remember your flashlight when you head out to the deerstand.
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Old 08-07-2006, 08:32 PM
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Being that you are used to Leupolds, If you get the 3200, you will wish you would have bought the Leupold. The 3200 is a decent scope, but not in the same league as the Leupold. Leupolds have a much longer eye relief, which makes it a lot easier to mount the scope on about any gun you want. I bought a Bushnell 4200 and sent it back because of the eye relief. I don't like squeazing myself into the stock. I like to just raise the gun to my shoulder, lay my cheak on the stock and have the eye relief be right without straining my neck.

Just something to keep in mind.
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Old 08-08-2006, 02:56 PM
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Bushnell vs Leupold

I wold agree with Gismo. I also have a 4200 - which has even hight light transmission that the 3200 (I think it's 98%?) Anyway, it doesn't have the eye relief a similar size Leupold wold & the other thing I really do not like about Bushnell's are the size - most of them (especially in the larger 4200 series) are really long and a little bit heavier than the Leupld and Japanese (Nikon & Sightron) counterparts.
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Old 08-10-2006, 04:23 PM
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Hey Guys!

That's really interesting - it's funny how a person's opinion can taint you for life...

A long, long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away (being California), my local shop owner swore that he returned more Leupys than any other brand and steered me away from them. That was a while ago though. He also swore by Burris, Nikon, and Zeiss. I have a Black Diamond 4-16x50, a Black Diamond 6-24x50, Signature 3-10x40, Burris 2.5x Shotgun, a Monarch Gold, a Zeiss Conquest 4.5-14x44 MC, and two Zeiss Conquest 3-10 (or 3-9, I'd have to open my safe). I have a Burris on my 629. Oh, and the dumbbell of a ATN 3rd gen 4-12x80 that sits on my Rock River 243 WSSM Varmint. I've never concidered a Leupold, simply from the comments made a couple decades ago by a shop owner.

Was I tainted? Dispell the myth for me!

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Old 08-10-2006, 04:37 PM
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Well...................

I've owned Lyman, Burris, Redfield, Weaver, Leupold, Nikon, Simmons, BSA, Bushnell, Pentax, Tasco and a few others forgotten in the years.

Out of the whole passle, would take the Leupolds and never look back. Had to send a couple back to the factory for damage I caused. Scopes were repaired free of charge and returned in a very timely manner.

Think maybe your 'smith just wanted to get you into the higher priced scopes!
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Old 08-11-2006, 08:36 AM
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LEUPOLD, hands down, I have 5 Leupolds and have never had any problem
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Old 08-11-2006, 08:54 AM
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Hi kdub -

Funny thing is I ended up getting from him a Simmons Sportsman 3-9 (~$40) which now resides on my Crossman 760.

Well, they must have something. As I read these threads, you'd think Leupold was the only brand out there. I'm so happy with the Burris and the Zeiss scopes, that I'll likely stick to those two. Is it because of their customer service that you'd take the Leupold over any other? Or was the product superior to any of the others that you mentioned?

Have a great weekend.
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Old 08-11-2006, 10:21 AM
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I didn't know there were any other scope manufacturers then Leupold!
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Old 08-11-2006, 10:41 AM
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Hey Gunslinger!

Yeah - I seem to be the outlyer on this (as usual)!

I will say this in passing, Zeiss makes the best microscopes on the market, where you need to look discern objects at 1000x, not just 14x. And they are lighter and shorter than the Burris, which is nice; I have Zeiss on all of my wife's rifles.

Off for the Church's camping trip in beautiful Huntingdon, PA. Have a great weekend folks - signing off.
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Old 08-11-2006, 03:47 PM
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Alec,

I hope you really enjoy your camping trip!

I can't argue that Zeiss doesn't make a good product. I usually compare a number of similar scopes before making a decision. The Zeiss scopes I've looked at were all top notch. It's a combination of things that I usually base my decision on, i.e. optical quality, eye relief, size, lay out of contols, warranty, prior experience, and where it's made, to name a few. I've just had good luck with Leupold.

A buddy of mine has a Zeiss Conquest II on a 300 RUM. I have to say I might give it a slight edge over similar Leupold VX-III's in some ways. I just like my Leupold's.

Have a good one, my friend!
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Old 08-11-2006, 06:49 PM
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I have had Leupold and Burris, along with most of the others and some that haven't been made in 40 years with good reason. I like the Burris just slightly better than the Leupold. Not a lot, just personal from years of both.
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Old 08-14-2006, 06:44 AM
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I'll tell you like others that I have tried most of the low, mid and high dollar scopes on the market today and years ago.

Roy Weaver made a very good steel scope in his day!
REDFIELD came on the scenes in the late 60's and were excellent rifle scpoes. I have one that is 30 yrs old and never a problem.

Today in the last dozen years, I have gone strictly to Leupold for my hunting rifle needs. I do have one NightForce scope on a long range shooter.

I would opt for a Leupold VX-2 in the 2 x 7 power, with Leupold mounts and rings. You won't be sorry and have years of use out of this set up.
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Old 08-14-2006, 07:22 AM
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Morning Gunslinger!

Had a great time - thanks! The weather was great, the brats were juicy, the beer was cold, and the Lord was praised. And, made it back in time to hit the range for an hour or two. What could be better? Hope you had a great weekend as well.

Thanks for your very helpful comments on the Leupolds and your decision making process - all of those are very important. I really like the clarity and light-gathering of the Zeiss; I can't tell any difference in brightness between the 50mm and 44mm bells.

Have a great week,
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Old 08-16-2006, 03:36 PM
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I like the Leupold scopes; Vari X II, Vari X III, VX-1, VX-2 and VX-3. I also like Burris Fullfields, Nikon Monarch and Pentax (which are made underlicense by Burris for Pentax), Older steel USA made Weavers. I have looked long and hard at the Elite 3200 and 4200. I want one but can't justify doing it right now as I dont have a rifle to put it on just yet and I have three Leupolds and two Burrises sitting there waiting their turns. I have an eye problem with Zeiss and Swarovski. I can't see enough difference to justify the prices they want.
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Old 08-16-2006, 05:11 PM
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I put my Weaver V16 right up there with Leupolds as far as adjustment accuracy and repeatable adjustments. Just one thing that makes them not as good as my Leupolds is the lack of eye relief. I love my Weaver and once sighted in never moved and was very clear, just hard to mount on some rifles where you need a little longer eye relief because the rings might be just a smidge forward to be able to pull the scope back enough for a good relaxed fit.
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Well...................

I've owned Lyman, Burris, Redfield, Weaver, Leupold, Nikon, Simmons, BSA, Bushnell, Pentax, Tasco and a few others forgotten in the years.

Out of the whole passle, would take the Leupolds and never look back. Had to send a couple back to the factory for damage I caused. Scopes were repaired free of charge and returned in a very timely manner.

Think maybe your 'smith just wanted to get you into the higher priced scopes!


I am thinking of getting the BSA seet 17or the BUSHNELL with the BSA on them for a 17 hmr Browning T-Bolt. I plan on shooting 100- 150-175 yards. If you think BDC are just a cool usless toy then would you recomend the tacso world class plus or the BUSHNELL sprtsman series as I am not willing to spend the money on an Elite series. If I was going to spend that kind of moneu I think I would go for lit all and step up into the Leupold.

I am new to accurate shooting and do not want to waste my money on things I don't need but are just cool.

To be honest I realy like the idea of BDC but I need to have more pratice for my distances.
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nortonboss, if you want to more of target shooting and various ranges then you need a scope with good repeatable adjustments that wont shift it's POI either. unless you step up to the Leupold VX-3 (not VX-III or Vari-X III) you would be better off with either of the Elites. if you want decent optics with repeatable adjustments and a AO feature scope you better be prepared to go 300.00 or so however there are some affordable close out options out there for a lot less, Intensity's had some of their on close out thaqt would suite your needs at Natchez for near 100.00 back this winter.
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I too have tried several scope manufactures over the years, with Leupold and Bushnell being included. The 3200's I have are good, but to my eye the Leupold is better. That is why I have the 3200's on an AR, and an 06 that I hunt with, where shots over 150yd are unheard of. My Leupold is on my go to varmint rifle, where I appreciate the light gathering ability and repeatability of adjustments.

That is my experience with these 2 scopes. I would not hesitate to purchase another 3200, IF it fit my needs at the time.
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