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Old 10-07-2009, 04:00 AM
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Gentlemen,

Have any of you ever wondered if scopes are defined as much by their price-point as they are by their features or quality? Every person has a selling point when it comes to buying a scope: They may insist on buying THE most expensive scope they can find, paying the least for something that will "work", or agonize over getting the best deal on something they tell themselves is of good quality.

I am not debating the fact that a good scope is better than a cheap scope, but in my experience, the difference is highly subjective. I have shot the cheapest Tasco, VX-III Leupold, Nikon, Redfield and various Bushnell scopes. Some were distinctly better than others at gathering light or holding a perfect zero, but all of them would do the job they were intended for.

What I'm suggesting is if you put every single scope option into one list, arranged by price, most guys are going to scroll down until they find the dollar figure they are comfortable with and then tell themselves...THAT is the scope they want. For some guys that will be very near the top of the list and for some, it will be at the bottom.

Am I way off base, here?
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Old 10-07-2009, 07:01 AM
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I think you're right on. I'm alot like that - knowing that price doesn't always indicate higher quality but yet believing there's a valid reason for the price....and to a greater extent, I still think that's true. There's more to the price (generally speaking) than just hype, as you inferred in your post. Yet I find myself setting a price range and then looking at scopes in that range, thinking I'm at least getting the best I can get for what I'm willing to pay. Well, as each quest continues, I become somewhat desensitized to the prices and my budget limit invariably goes UP! Still, I think I'm getting more quality because of it (and really and truthfully, probably am........). Your point is valid, though.

I paid over $325 for a Leupold 3-9x40 VX-I. Not their top of the line by any means but considered a fine scope nonetheless. It is nice adjudged by my somewhat limited experience and it works well, BUT!...... I recently purchased a Nikkon Busckmasters 6-18x40 and just last night put it on a newly arrived Rem 22-250. It has very clear optics, a mil dot reticle, tall tooless turrets, and a side focus. $299 (albeit on sale). Just playing with the scope I can tell I'll be at least (I say again at least) as happy with it as my Leupolds.

Now, my RemADL 30-06 came from WalMart with a no-name-brand scope. Probably worth a whole $11, if the truth be known. I have abrand new Leupold 3-9x40, still in the box, that I intended to put on that rifle. Guess what? That cheap little scope is still on the rifle! Although the optics are not quite as clear as my other scopes, the difference is negligible. It works just fine and that rifle shoots sub MOA consistently, with nary a hiccup.

I've been shooting shotguns, rifles, and sidearms for a solid 38 years now, but when it comes to high-power centerfires and nice scopes, I might as well be a trainee. Yet I have reached the same conclusion you draw, Broom, that is: price is not always indicative of quality AND absolute quality is often much more than we actually need.
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I'll agree with the broom and stretch on the price issue and a lot of i think has to do with what the person is used to. Its like fishing rods if you are used to fishing with a Berkley Lightning rod for $30 then you can feel with it but if you are used to using a $300.00 G. Loomis you can't feel a thing with that cheaper rod. same goes for scopes i hunted with a bushnell forever till i bought my own zeiss and still use the bushnell on occasion. it is left up to personal preference.
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Old 10-10-2009, 07:38 PM
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Really appreciate these last few posts as I held off on buying a new scope and now have more information.

thanks guys
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Old 10-15-2009, 10:36 PM
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Pentax Pioneer (same as Burris FFII) 4.5x14x42, Burris FFII in same power rating. Both have American glass and assembled in he Philippines. Both have brighter and clearer glass than my Leupold VX-III. Nikon Buckmaster 4.5x14x40 has great glass, less light transmission but side focus. The ultimate for the price is Nikon Monarch 4x16x42 BDC, SF. Don't even consider that cheap Chinese junk like Buschnel and Weaver.

If you shop around (aka Ebay where the best prices are found) you should be able to get the Pentax Pioneer (make sure it is Pioneer otherwise it is cheap Chinese junk) for under $200, Burris FFII for under $280, Nikon Bukmasters for under $265, Monarch for under $400.

Whatever you do, give them the 'TRUE' test. After bore sighting and 25-30m true sighting on low power, then adjust the power setting (for 3x9, sight in at 3x, adjust to 6x, then to 9x) all rounds (exceppt for the occaisional flyer should be in the same 1-2" area) then try the same at 100m and 300m if your range goes that far. The 5 scopes I mentioned above all passed the test and the cheap Chinese junk didn't.
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Old 10-16-2009, 04:00 AM
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. Don't even consider that cheap Chinese junk like Buschnel and Weaver.
the Elite line from Bushnell mentioned is made in Japan @ LOW and is not cheap. allso the weaver line which now is picked up by ATK has an exelent reputation for good glass and dependable accurate click adjustments.
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Old 10-16-2009, 07:17 AM
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thanks for the input on those scopes, but I don't plan on breaking 400. At first I didn't plan on breaking 300.
I have a Monarch 2.5-10x42 with the adjustable eyepiece and BDC recticle, mounted on a bull barrel AR. Great scope for the money, it holds zero and takes adjustments. I paid $370, which is below your $400 dollar limit.
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Old 10-17-2009, 10:18 AM
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leupold. best scope for the money (and better than many that cost more)
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Old 10-17-2009, 11:01 AM
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leupold. best scope for the money (and better than many that cost more)
you really think that is true? I have a vx-i it doesn't seem so special.
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I went through all the agonizing over whether more money = better scope, and if it was better was it incrementally better? I was looking at the VX3, VXII, and Zeiss Conquest, all 3x9x40. The Conquest and VXII were the price, and the Conquest was pretty clearly superior. Only problem is that the store didn't have it in silver. They also had a silver VX3, which optically was neck and neck with the Conquest but $150 more. I just couldn't justify spending another $150 for the silver finish when the optics were the same. I told the salesman to box them all up, and I would have to think about it. When he put the Conquest back he found a 3.5x10x44 Conquest in last year's model that was discontinued. We got them all back out and I compared them again. The Conquest 3.5x10x44 was in a totally different class than the others, and I ended up buying it for about the same as the VX3.

I'd compared and shopped for weeks before going in the store, and on paper, the VX3 should have been the best scope. That experience convinced me never to buy a scope without looking through it first, because a different model or brand could exceed it's price point and vice versa. I'm currently in the market for a $200 range scope, and while I won't agonize as much over this purchase, I will start my search by looking through scopes in the store instead of at them online.
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Old 08-21-2011, 07:41 AM
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I own scopes made by Burris (6), Bushnell Elites (8), Leupold (20+), Pentax, Weaver (5) and Zeiss (3). I'm not really familiar with scopes over 9-10X. But, if a 3-9 power range could possibly work for your needs, two come to my mind immediately as great values/$$. The first is the Bushnell Elite 4200 3-9X40, which is on sale now for $200. (Cabela's + others) as they are phasing in a new Elite series model. The second is a scope I feel is the best value at under $500. and it's the Zeiss Conquest 3-9x40 for $400.

As I already said, I'm not sure either of these would fit your exact needs, but if they do, I highly recommend either, figuring you could make the choice price-wise. Gee, maybe two Elite 4200s? One to use and one to have in ready, just in case. (or maybe forcing another rifle purchase...lol!)
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