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Old 12-24-2012, 06:21 AM
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Choosing the Right Rifle Scope


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My grandson, Tyler, is in the army, serving in Afghanistan. I am doing some research to assist him in choosing a scope for his Henry .30/30, H 009 rifle. We live in Eastern Tennessee & he will mostly be hunting deer. Shots of greater than 100 yards would be rare. So far, some of the features i've seen that I believe important is light gathering ability, clarity, maybe quick focus would be of benefit. I would like to see opinions for best eye relief, magnification, etc. Price is also a consideration. As I said, he his in the military so money is tight. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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Old 12-24-2012, 08:11 AM
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There are a lot of good quality scope out there, but some run into some serious bucks. For scopes in the 300 dollar range I'd look at Leupold or Nikon both have decent glass and unbeatable warranties. One thing I'd avoid is going with too much magnafaction. 2-7 power would be the most I'd recommend and less would be better. One of the best ways to judge scopes is to visit a dealer that stocks the ones you are considering. I'd stop in about dusk and step outside and see which ones deliver the best image in fading light. Remember all scopes look clear and bright inside the store.
Good luck with your search and let us know which one you decide on.
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Old 12-24-2012, 08:22 AM
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For that firearm/chambering, a fixed low power scope will be most suitable and you will get a better quality item for equal value of the variable power ones. My recommendation would be for a nice 2.5X or 4X. A 36mm or 42mm objective lens will be as large as needed, plus will mount lower on the action for best sight picture. As mentioned, the Leupold, Nikon, Burris, Redfield models will work fine.
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Old 12-24-2012, 10:31 AM
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Weaver K series fixed power scopes have very good glass for the money and won't break the bank.
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Old 12-24-2012, 08:38 PM
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Weaver Grand Slam is available in a 1.5-5 or something like that. It'd be a good choice for your 30-30. Have recommended this scope to others with a 30-30 in the past. Ones that bought it replied being very happy with it.
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Old 12-25-2012, 04:20 AM
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Thanks for the info

Thanks everyone for the "no-nonsense" advice. After discussing your responses with my grandson I will let y'all know the direction we will go. I especially liked the tip of visiting the store at dusk & step outside with the scope. They all perform well under "bright light" don't they. Thanks again. Pete 1
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Old 12-25-2012, 05:08 AM
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A second for the Weaver K series 4x fixed. You can probably pick one up for $120 or less after the holidays. Very bright glass for the money and all the scope you'd ever need on a 30-30.
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Old 12-25-2012, 08:18 AM
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My personal feeling is 4x is way too much. Back when they first start letting deer off the Ark if GA (I'm talking a long time ago), my first real deer rifle was a Marlin 336C 30-30. I put a Weaver 4x scope on it and when I saw my very first deer I was easing through a fairly thick stand of youg, volunteer pines when a monster buck came walking through about 30 yards away. When I pulled up to shoot, I never did find him in the scope. I shoot with both eyes open and just pull the scope up in front of my eye while stairing at the target, but I never did find him, the growth was thick enough and he was so close, there just was not enough field of view. I had that to happen again a few days later. The 4x came off after that one.

Most of the time hunting with a 30-30, people are usually in the woods since that's not known as a long range rifle. If I was going to scope it, I would go with a 1.5-5x and absolutely no more than a 2.5-7.
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As a teenager I used a cheap weaver4x for my first scope and at first it took me too long to find anything through the scope at close range when in bush but with constant use that problem soon vanished and what I was looking at with open eyes was soon always right there when I brought up my rife and looked through the scope. It was just a matter of lots of time with that rifle and scope combination. Unfortunatly I realize that not everybody has enough time to practice until looking through their scope becomes second nature and no longer is any harder to find game in your scope as it is with your open eyes.A good fitting rifle and scope that comes right up to where you want it like a well fitting shot gun will have you instantly looking through the scope instead searching around inside it.
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Another Weaver K vote. In 4x or 6x. It fits well on a lever and is lightweight. Very inexpensive and outperforms its cost, especially in low light. On thing often overlooked is that it tracks as well as more expensive Weavers. great adjustments.
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Old 04-11-2014, 05:54 AM
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My personal feeling is 4x is way too much. Back when they first start letting deer off the Ark if GA (I'm talking a long time ago), my first real deer rifle was a Marlin 336C 30-30. I put a Weaver 4x scope on it and when I saw my very first deer I was easing through a fairly thick stand of youg, volunteer pines when a monster buck came walking through about 30 yards away. When I pulled up to shoot, I never did find him in the scope. I shoot with both eyes open and just pull the scope up in front of my eye while stairing at the target, but I never did find him, the growth was thick enough and he was so close, there just was not enough field of view. I had that to happen again a few days later. The 4x came off after that one.

Most of the time hunting with a 30-30, people are usually in the woods since that's not known as a long range rifle. If I was going to scope it, I would go with a 1.5-5x and absolutely no more than a 2.5-7.
If you are shooting in the woods keep your scope set on the lowest magnification. If the shot is close range you won't need the extramagnification. If the target is moving you will need the extra field of view. If you get a longer shot it will usually be at a still target and there will be time to change the magnification.
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Old 04-11-2014, 06:56 AM
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Why a scope at all?

Look up the avg shot distances for deer/hogs in that area & I'd bet it's more like 50 yards & often less. The shooter is young presumably with good vision, and a trained shooter. I'd have a hard time believing he could not keep an 8" group at 50 yards offhand with the sights that come with the gun, & probably shoot better than that, with a total cost of ZERO. And get a slimmer profile, lighter, easier to carry, better looking gun to boot. you could always add a scope later. If you must have one, I agree a small low powered scope for a small "shorter range" gun. Give it a try first, nothing to lose and $ to save for ammo to practice with.
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Old 04-11-2014, 10:38 AM
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For thos early morning and late evening shots the low power scopes will do what you need.
The Weaver V-3 is hard to beat and on-line dealer such as Midsouth Shooters Supply regularly have them for $180.00 or so,
The Burris short Mag and Timber series are good little scopes for a lever rifle. they make a small variable. This one is a straight 4X.
I have the pictures uploaded on a different thread but cannot remember what it is so I'll just link these pictures.

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I'll chime in on this older thread as well. I agree with the choice of the Weaver V3 1-3x20, it's an excellent choice at the price break. I have one on a Marlin .375 and it's a perfect match in looks and performance IMHO. I have a nice Nikon Monarch UCC 1.5-4.5x20 on another .375. I also have several 1-4x20 Leupolds on rifles such as .444P, 1895G & 1895M. I am partial to either the Heavy Duplex or #4 reticles which are no less than great in low light. I even put one on a Valmet M412 12ga over .308 too.
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Old 04-11-2014, 03:24 PM
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We are of like minds - scopes and mounts.
Two of my old Weavers have Lee 5 minute dots. They work in a similar fashion to the heavy duplex reticule.
The big dot is quick in the shaded areas just like the heavy reticule..
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Old 04-11-2014, 06:25 PM
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light gathering

Yes a scope will buy you 10-15 minutes more shooting time at dawn & dusk. Normally my ams & pms were in a stand with a carbine length (18 1/2" rem mdl 7) bolt in 7mm08, that was shorter & lighter than my win mdl 94 BB XTR 375 with open millett sights, that got carried after leaving the stand. NOW I"M afraid to leave a 2nd rifle in the truck, even when on private land. The bolt has been wearing a Leupold vx3 1.5x5 heavy duplex on the lowest setting since 1985, has been in all types of weather & been underwater on several occasions, still works fine. Buy quality once, hurt once and use it for life.
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We are of like minds - scopes and mounts.
Two of my old Weavers have Lee 5 minute dots. They work in a similar fashion to the heavy duplex reticule.
The big dot is quick in the shaded areas just like the heavy reticule..
I also noticed your Millet rings, allowing for windage adjustment. I also have several rifles so equipped. I just put an engraved set on my M70 JOC Tribute rifle as well.
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Mice rifle. Too bad I am VERY left-handed!
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You will enjoy this little story then. As we planned our latest gift hunt for a wounded service member, I explained to my contact with the agency helping me set it up that I need to know if our guest was right or left handed, so I could purchase the gift firearm. I was told he was right handed and also should we need to find another candidate (because the first could not attend) he would also be right handed. Well, you guessed it. A week before our hunt was to begin I was informed that the "new" guest was left handed. This after purchasing a new M70 Featherweight, Leupold scope and also getting the combination dialed in for him.

Well as it would turn out three other hunters in our small group were also left handed and they were more than happy to help with the "adjustments" necessary for our guest to feel comfortable with the right handed rifle. From what I saw, when handed the gift rifle at the start of the hunt (a total surprise to him), there was not one ounce of disappointment. After a couple hours shooting and familiarization the first morning, he later dropped a nice hog of ~ 180 pounds with a single shot at over 150 yards and well after SS. The gift rifle is on the right.
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