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Old 12-26-2012, 02:19 PM
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I am looking to purchase a new Nikon scope. I currently own a 3_9_40 with bdc. It is on a 257 why mag. The rifle seems to shoot way too flat to even use the reticle,as in, 1.5 inches high at 100 makes the first circle be about on at 400. I don't know how far the other three would calibrate. Thinking about swapping this scope onto my 30_06 which it would fit to a tee. Then buying a regular duplex Nikon and sight 2 inches high at 100. Anyone else find a cartridge too flat for the bdc. Love the scope though.
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Old 12-26-2012, 02:50 PM
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I've never found a bullet that did match the one I put on my granddaughters 260. I know they make them in several different calibrations but couldn't find a rifle that came close to hers. We just zero'd it for 200 yards and she knows how much holdover she needs for up to 300. Besides, with a 3 - 9x that's about all you're going to be able to shoot anyway.
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Old 12-26-2012, 07:45 PM
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Despite owning several Nikon scopes I haven't had any with the BDC. Guess all those circles make it too "busy" for me. Generally sight my hunting rifles right on at 200 yards and know what the hold over is at 300 and 400 yards. Hardly ever shoot past that.
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Old 12-26-2012, 08:14 PM
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I don't see any purpose for mil dot reticles or BDC reticles in flat shooting calibers. I've owned them and never found them to be very useful. I do find them useful in calibers such as the 45-70, muzzle loaders, etc where the slower moving, heavy bullets have a looping trajectory. As stated, in very flat shooting rifles the first dot is usually very far out and the subsequent dots are even more useless. I'm sure there are some useful applications for them but hunting isn't one of them.
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Old 12-26-2012, 08:16 PM
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Go to the Nikon web site and use their Spot-on software. By entering your 257 ballistics, it will show you the exact elevation for each recticle on you BDC scope. I have Nikon BDCs on 7 rifles with a range printout taped to each stock.
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Thanks jodum. Sounds awesome I will check it , even though some of the rings would be so far reaching as to be just for recreation.
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Old 12-27-2012, 02:16 PM
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Tried spot on on Nikon site. Was unable to get anywhere. Like my wife said, probably not free, like everything else. Looked like a sweet program if I could get into it.
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I don't see any purpose for mil dot reticles or BDC reticles in flat shooting calibers. I've owned them and never found them to be very useful. I do find them useful in calibers such as the 45-70, muzzle loaders, etc where the slower moving, heavy bullets have a looping trajectory. As stated, in very flat shooting rifles the first dot is usually very far out and the subsequent dots are even more useless. I'm sure there are some useful applications for them but hunting isn't one of them.
Hey, I was going to say all that stuff!

My buddy has a Burris scope with multiple reticles on his Ruger #1, chambered in 460S&W. He sets the crosshairs to zero at 100 yards and uses the additional circles out to 300 yards.

I don't know what the point of software would be...just go shoot the darn thing at long ranges and see where ya group.
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Old 12-28-2012, 05:49 AM
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There are a couple reasons to own a .257 Weatherby, but the best reason is you don't need gimicks to stay on target way out there.

If a shot presents itself so far away you think it exceeds the PBR, you likely need a rangefinder to know where it is. If you don't have time for a rangefinder, you probably shouldn't take the shot.
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There are a couple reasons to own a .257 Weatherby, but the best reason is you don't need gimicks to stay on target way out there.

If a shot presents itself so far away you think it exceeds the PBR, you likely need a rangefinder to know where it is. If you don't have time for a rangefinder, you probably shouldn't take the shot.
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Old 12-28-2012, 02:33 PM
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The Nikon BDC scopes are fine if you know how to use them effectively. If you have a smart phone, check out strelok for free.
Mil Dot scopes? Well....they take some getting used to, but hold overs are simplified. You just need to do simple math in your head.
Your scope is fine IMO. You just need to come to terms with a 225yd PBR for the cartridge.
You work with your tools, or you don't work at all. Ask me about the guy came out of the 30yd shooting bay asking how his .270win would do at 100yds sighted in at 30yds.
In short terms....most gun owners are mouth breathing....dragon shirt wearing heatherns you'd never want to be in the woods with.
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Deer season around here means somebody shooting themselves or getting shot by their best friend. A few deer end up getting harvested in the process.
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Monarch's are good scopes, no complaints with them, just the BDC recticle is a lot of useless clutter on most rifles.

Both of the ones I have are the BDC-600's, one I sent one off and changed the recticles in to get rid of all the clutter. I think they say the BDC-600 is calibrated for a "223 ?". I bought the scopes two years ago and didn't own a 223 until a couple of months ago. Next problem I had, how many people are going to be using 9x or 10x scope to shoot 600 yards? Even with a BDC that's dead on, good luck on making a clean kill shot with 9x at 600 yards, 300 would be pushing it.

By the way, I also know how to shoot, fairly good actually. I also know what my limits are with each piece of equipment I own and know which ones I need to do what I want to do and your 3-9x or 2.5-10 are pretty much short range scopes and I limit those to about 300 yards max for something I want to find after I shoot it.
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I'm a huge fan of Nikon scopes, got a bunch of them, search for my recent post on what they did for me recently.
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The Nikon BDC scopes are fine if you know how to use them effectively. If you have a smart phone, check out strelok for free.
Mil Dot scopes? Well....they take some getting used to, but hold overs are simplified. You just need to do simple math in your head.
Your scope is fine IMO. You just need to come to terms with a 225yd PBR for the cartridge.
You work with your tools, or you don't work at all. Ask me about the guy came out of the 30yd shooting bay asking how his .270win would do at 100yds sighted in at 30yds.
In short terms....most gun owners are mouth breathing....dragon shirt wearing heatherns you'd never want to be in the woods with.
Advice? I've beat around the truth for a couple of decades now.......you gonna trust me? LOL!
Deer season around here means somebody shooting themselves or getting shot by their best friend. A few deer end up getting harvested in the process.
You can ask for advice....but realize where advice may come from. Criminals and retards are not allowed to own guns. How does it happen they end up killing folks on a spree? Advice should be disseminated accordingly.
The PBR on a 257 Weatherby is considerably greater than 225 yards. Heck, it's more than 325 yards and probably approaching 425, depending on the size of your kill zone.

The guy who zeroed his 270Win at 30 yards was likely about 3" high at 100 yards. That's exactly how Jack O'Connor recommended sighting in a 270, followed up by actually shooting at longer distances.

Most gun owners I know, are not "mouth breathing....dragon shirt wearing heathens". They are, in fact, guys I'm proud to share the woods with. I might speak ill of tree huggers and anti-gun whack-jobs, but I'm not going to talk down fellow gun owners.

On this forum, advice comes from reasonable, thoughtful, experienced gun owners that have a variety of opinions and perspectives. Criminals and retards don't last too long around these parts.
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Old 12-28-2012, 07:02 PM
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The PBR on a 257 Weatherby is considerably greater than 225 yards.
I have a close approximation in my journal. 117gr Hornady BTSP @ 3200fps.

I didn't use the Jack O' 3", I went with 2" high at 100yds, for 1" high at 200yds, and 3" low at 300yds. A hairline hold at 400yds is still MOA, (minute of antelope), for anyone with the range time and a rest to shoot from.
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Old 12-28-2012, 07:13 PM
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I have done quite a bit of shooting with the 3_9_40 bdc I have on the 257. I stated that the first circle is at 400. Was thinking about going duplex because of the extremely long max. Pbr. Wondered where the other circles were for most likely recreation as 400 is already a very long shot on game even for those of us who can shoot. I hope I haven't been ridiculed for seeing if others with real hunting experience also felt the same way, as I am speaking about a very flat shooting round here. That is what a 257 wby mag is designed for, hitting game hard at longer ranges with reduced recoil of higher caliber cartridges.
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