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Old 09-22-2004, 05:22 PM
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Ruger M77 Accuracy...Still an issue?


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I know i read that the the ruger m77 mk II are either a hit or a miss in the accuracy dept. Did they get this taken care of. I hear ruger sub contraced there barrels to wilson combat and thats why the accuracy was so poor. Does wilson still make them or did ruger start making there own again? I think the Ruger M77 MK II standard with the wood stock and stianless bolt and bolt handle are really beautiful. Only i want a gun that will shoot decent groups. I also like the deal with the scope rings! Thanks!
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Old 09-22-2004, 05:48 PM
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Can't comment on the barrel manufacturer, but own two rugers. My M77 mkI .270 shoots 130 grain cloverleafs but haven't found a good 150 gr load yet (2 - 3 inches), it's picky. I also have a .300 win mag mk II that is 1 to 1.5 inch with almost everything I feed it. I personally think the ruger rings are a great addition to a great hunting rifle.
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Old 09-22-2004, 05:55 PM
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As with any mass produced item (cars, etc) there will be good ones and bad ones. Remington, Winchester, Browning, Savage - they've all had their share of reported bad merchandise.

Rugers are as quality made as the rest. Concerning your question of barrel maker, yes - Ruger has begun making their own barrels again.

The only real complaint on the MkII's is the heavy factory trigger. Evidently this depends again on the individual rifle. My M77MkII V/T in .223 chambering came with a beautifully crisp 2.8# trigger right out of the box.
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That was the Mark I or "just plain 77" rifles that had Wilson barrels (tang safety is a dead giveaway). Ruger makes it's own barrels now, and I'd guess they rank right up there with any mass-produced item.

I have 2 77s, and they both shoot well (with Wilson barrels, presumably). Suppose I got good ones.....
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Old 09-22-2004, 06:27 PM
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Last fall getting ready for the firearm deer season there was a guy at our range (private) that had a brand new outta the box Ruger in .280....lam stock....SS barrel and action....nice scope. Just a beaut. Too bad it grouped 3 or 3 1/2" at 100. Nobody could shoot into a smaller group. Poor guy. My Savage in .270 kinda embarassed him.

Sorry, cant say if this has been corrected.

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Old 09-23-2004, 03:54 AM
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I have a ruger MKII Stainless in 308, I had to do a trigger job on it but it will shoot 2" groups at 200 yards with handloads and 150gr bullets.........................................Ma rko
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Old 09-24-2004, 05:22 PM
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I have re-worked the triggers on three Ruger 77MkII's -- per the article and drawing posted on www.centerfirecentral.com.

My results have been excellent.....and I mean that sincerely. I took my time, worked with a small, fine-toothed file to start the metal work on the trigger and polished the trigger and sear with 600 grit wet/dry paper. Three rifles that shot like a charm once the triggers were lightened by this method! I did not use the file on the sear at all -- for safety's sake.

The Mk II trigger mechanism is extremely simple. If you don't think you can keep the proper angles on the trigger (where it engages the sear) while doing the filing and polishing then get a replacement trigger for the unit and see the difference. I've read that Timney makes a good one. I'd recommend a Ruger and a trigger job to anyone.

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Old 09-24-2004, 05:33 PM
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HAve one Ruger 77 (an old one bought in 1980) in .243 in the house....is my brother's, but I have the care of it. James seldom shoots it, but likes it to be "ready to do" if he gets the urge.

Some forgotton hurricane in the middle 1980's saw me sitting out the storm bedding that rifle by lamp-light. Fiddled with it though the worst of the storm (after all, exactly what would it help to pay strict attention to something you have no power to control...you just listen for breaking glass, slap the floor a every so often to see if you hand comes back wet, and pray).

I really hate that angled front action screw.

Anyway, got it bedded and we took it to the range about a month later. About 1986 he finished off the range day with plopping 10rounds into 1.3" at 100yards, exactly 2" high.

The next time that rifle coame out to play was 1994. He shot it exacty 10 times...and got a 10round group of 1.5" exactly 2" above the point of aim at 100yards.

May not be award winning accuracy...but they can be stable, predictable, and consistant.
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Old 09-25-2004, 04:13 AM
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I really hate that angled front action screw.
I like the angled front action screw - it's one less thing I have to mess with in bedding it. Granted it's hard to glass, so why do it? The point of bedding is to ensure consistent contact; epoxy is one way, but so is the angled screw. The only thing I did to it was ensure that I used the same screw-tightening technique, front and rear, everytime. My M77 MkII 6.5X55 averaged under an inch with handloads, some over, but most under.

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Old 09-25-2004, 07:56 AM
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I like the angled front action screw - it's one less thing I have to mess with in bedding it. Granted it's hard to glass, so why do it? The point of bedding is to ensure consistent contact; epoxy is one way, but so is the angled screw. The only thing I did to it was ensure that I used the same screw-tightening technique, front and rear, everytime. My M77 MkII 6.5X55 averaged under an inch with handloads, some over, but most under.

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This one had a tendencty to walk it's zero. Will admit, it was consistant in grouping, just that the groups would appear 3" away from the last zero if put away for a time between sessions. Having checked out the mount, changed scopes, and had no sadisfaction, decided that bedding (with some changes) would be worth a try.

Brother's rifle, and his goal was to get it stable...didn't care if the groups shrunk much as 10 shots in under 1.5MOA is good enough...if one believes in 3-shot groups, then call it close to 3/4MOA.

Whatever the rifle, if it's wandering it's zero and ther eis no mechanical reason for it, then it needs a more stable bed...and beddign that angled screw is not all that hard, just a bit fustrating...and serves no real advantage.

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Old 09-25-2004, 10:37 AM
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Whatever the rifle, if it's wandering it's zero and ther eis no mechanical reason for it, then it needs a more stable bed...
Very true. Mine had a slight tendency to that, also. I was trying to eliminate that by using less temperature-sensitive powder when I sold it. It was accurate enough; I just didn't care much for the rifle.

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Old 09-25-2004, 03:22 PM
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My 77 MkII 7x57 is glass bedded and free floated, and has a Timney trigger. It's just as accurate as any of my Model 70s.
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Old 09-25-2004, 07:55 PM
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Lossking -

With that combination, it just HAS to be accurate! The rifle modifications, plus the chambering all shake hands for a precision piece of equipment.

Had a Brazilan Mod 1908 Mauser in the 7x57 that had been worked as you stated. Then, had it rechambered in 7x57 Ack Imp and boy - that thing came alive! Was knocking on the door of my Ruger M77 (tang safety) 7mm Mag in power.
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Old 09-29-2004, 07:13 PM
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i won a 77mkII at a rough grouse society dinner, it's a 30.06 and i have a redfield scope on it, my dad can easily keep close shots at 100 yards but i've still got to work on handling the recoil
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Old 09-30-2004, 06:00 AM
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So, does Wilson Combat make poor quality barrels? I was looking at an AR upper kit with a Wilson barrel, but if they are known for innacuracy, then I'll have to think again about that purchase...
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Old 09-30-2004, 06:18 AM
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Thats the problem with posts that start out with " I heard that " The Wilson that made the barrels for Ruger is not the Wilson combat Co. Also keep in mind were talking about something that occured about Twenty years ago or so , And as you can see there are still gun shop groupies standing around telling anybody that will listen to their Gospel.


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