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Old 11-26-2004, 09:16 PM
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Does anyone agree with me concerning barrel break in?


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I was just posting before on how i sighted in my new 270...by the way i tried the silver ballistic tips and got 1 inch groups at 100 so im pumped. Anyway i realize how much of a waste of time it would have been for breaking in the barrel. Some guy told me on another board that someday my bore will be ruined because i didnt do this stupid barrel break in BS. Do not get me wrong, it might benefit the life and the accuracy, but i do not believe it by any means hurts your bore. I think over shooting untill the barrel is really hot will. Think of our fathers and grandfathers? Do you think they broke in there barrels? NO! And most of the time there rifles still shoot great. So from now on I will of course give my new rifle a scrubbing before its first session, then shoot as much as i want, and when i get home give it a good cleaning. Does anyone else agree with me on this situation? If you do the procedure and break in the barrel, that is more power to you and i respect that. But when its to the point when people say your rifle wont shoot as good as mine or it wont last as long i say its crap. Good Luck!
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Old 11-27-2004, 03:23 AM
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I do, I think the break in ritual is silly. Really the only time you need to clean it is if you are going to put it up for long periods or if you live in a wet climate and that's just to get some oil down the barrel.
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Old 11-27-2004, 05:28 AM
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i have broken in rifles and i have just started shooting them, and i don't think you'll get any difference. i once spent a couple weeks breaking in a brand new Remington Sendro in .25/06 (cleaned 100% after every round for twenty rounds and LIGHTLY oiled the bore before the next shot, then after every five shots, ect...). this gun had a hard time shooting one MOA with any ammo and still fouled badly near the muzzle. not at all great for a gun that heavy, when some of my lightweights will do better.
i don't think it really hurts to break in a barrel, but i really think good long term care is more important by far. some custom barrels come with break in instructions.
if a barrel fouls, sometimes will clean it bore 100% and then polish the bore with a patch loaded with Flitz metal polish, but i don't know if this is a good thing or not.
no one will ever know about barrel break in, because it is impossible to test the same barrel both ways. so i'd say do what you feel you should do. everybody will agree that it is good to clean from the chamber when possible and avoid contact between the cleaning rod and bore as much as possible, so there are still ways to preserve accuracy.
i'd be a lot more likely to break in barrels if i had a shooting range right out my back door (like i used to), and i'll still do it if i really wanna squeeze the most from a gun, but i'm not convinced it provides any bentifit other than a clean bore.

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Old 11-27-2004, 07:10 AM
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I agree with you

Over the years, I have acquired new and used rifles and cleaned and shot them and cleaned them when I got home. Of course, with the used guns someone else broke them in somehow. I believe proper cleaning after use, floating the barrel, adjusting the trigger and carefully crafted ammo have more affect the any involved break in process. Of course the right mounts and rings securely attached and a decent scope help. As does the shooters ability. Just the idle thoughts of an idle fellow. all the best...
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Old 11-27-2004, 07:24 AM
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Keep thnking of one rifle in my safe that is "preverted". Will actually shoot better groups as it gets fouled. Not that it shoots badly clean, just measurably better as it collects fouling..at about round 20-25 it levels off. Must be a drop off in accuracy dome where down the road, but I've never fired it for more than 80 rounds at a session, so I've never found the drop off point.

Would lapping help?...don't care to find out, as the groups it makes are of the type you don't barrel-fiddle with. From my notes, using 10-shot groups (kind of 'hard-core" about groups), can expect 1.2" groups for the first two groups...the 4th and 5th 10-shot groups averaged .84". Would see an even greater difference is using 5-shot or 3-shot groups.

IF the first owner had been using the strict break in system, he'd have only seen the "less than best" groups (which may be possible reason it was sold off after only a month of his buying it).

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Old 11-27-2004, 11:49 AM
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I just did the ''break in'' on a new rifle I just bought. The only reason I tried it was that this rifle is stainless steel, and I thought it might help with the fouling. A friend bought a stainless redhawk and shot cast bullets out of it when it was brand new and it was fouled so badly that it took him forever to get it out. I have an old 270 that was never broken in and it shoots as good today as when I bought it 29 years ago.
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Old 11-27-2004, 01:13 PM
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I believe in it (barrel break-in). I've stopped trying to explain the reasons to others by now. As Monty said, you can't test the same barrel both ways. I'll play it safe and do it.
Good luck to you too!
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Old 11-27-2004, 04:30 PM
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Whatever benefit the standardized break-in procedures yield is more a function of 'not shooting the barrel hot', than anything else. I have broken in rifles with disregard for the strict 'shoot and clean' protocols and they turned out to be accurate; I have ignored the protocols and found that to work well too. Just shooting moderately breaks in a good barrel as well as any strict 'shoot and clean' regimen. After a few dozen rounds of SHORT strings, and a couple of cleanings: just regular cleanings after a session… the bore will be in condition to accept a longer string of shots...as in a match, etc.
Many guys take a rifle out and right away plink hundreds of shots at a session. No bore can tolerate that for long. Sure it's fun, but that's not how to assure best accuracy and longevity from that barrel.
If the barrel of your new rifle gets too hot to touch, you've probably done some damage to it. But I've also found that a good swamping out on mistreated/neglected guns can often revitalize them. This may include long sessions with J-B paste and a lot of elbow grease, but sometimes miracles occur as the result of hard work.

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Old 11-28-2004, 03:07 AM
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About a month ago I finished a long break in procedure on my BLR. Its groups did apear to get a little smaller, but I had my scope fail on me towards the end of the test so, I really can't go off of my records from the test. This BLR is the worst fouling gun I have every shot!! It did get a little better with the break in, but man, its still bad. Shoot three down its bore and then clean, you will think that you had just shot 100rds with out cleaning, very rough bore is all I can think of. I plan to either lap it one day, or use that Tubbs finishing kit. I really can't complain now though, as long as I clean it the same way each time, it will put its first shot exactly where I want it, 2 inches high at 100yds. Then the three shot group will open up to about 1.25-1.5 inches @ 100yds. But if I clean it the exact same way I can come back and reshoot that target and shoot again and just about touch that first bullet hole, 2 inches high @ 100yds. I think the break in helps a little bit with most guns, it sure can't hurt, so if you have the time and the money, go for it. The biggest thing as mentioned before is not to overheat the barrel.
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Yes, I agree with you.

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Old 11-28-2004, 12:14 PM
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If it helps you sleep better tonight , chalk me up for one in the agree column . Of course I'm one of those weirdo's who hasn't been in real life field situation that would benefit from a rifle that puts three shots in .00013 inches . Never had a deer stand still long enough to put that second shot into the same bullet hole , their usually preoccupied falling over dead from the first one. By the way, all those Dads and Grandpa's were "breaking in their guns" all those years they just didn't know it and it took decades instead of a three hour trip to the range ,and I'm certain it was a whole lot more fun.


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Old 11-28-2004, 12:52 PM
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Seems like it's an accelerated wear program.
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Old 11-29-2004, 02:50 PM
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I was just posting before on how i sighted in my new 270...by the way i tried the silver ballistic tips and got 1 inch groups at 100 so im pumped. Anyway i realize how much of a waste of time it would have been for breaking in the barrel. Some guy told me on another board that someday my bore will be ruined because i didnt do this stupid barrel break in BS. Do not get me wrong, it might benefit the life and the accuracy, but i do not believe it by any means hurts your bore. I think over shooting untill the barrel is really hot will. Think of our fathers and grandfathers? Do you think they broke in there barrels? NO! And most of the time there rifles still shoot great. So from now on I will of course give my new rifle a scrubbing before its first session, then shoot as much as i want, and when i get home give it a good cleaning. Does anyone else agree with me on this situation? If you do the procedure and break in the barrel, that is more power to you and i respect that. But when its to the point when people say your rifle wont shoot as good as mine or it wont last as long i say its crap. Good Luck!
I've never had a problem with a new rifle with my break-in techniques. I cleaned the bore with a brush and two or three patches then fired until I thought that the deadly target (cans at a gravel pit or dirt clods) or at our rifle club range. 150 or 200 rounds at an afternoon session never hurt the accuracy of my rifles. If you get 1" or so at 100 yards, you are doing great and I couldn't really ever ask more of my hunting rifles. I have a .30-06 in a 700 REM BDL that my wife bought for a college graduation present back in 1973. Believe me, I have shot this a lot. Common sense cleaning after a session at the range has kept this rifle shooting as well as the day that I got it.
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Old 11-29-2004, 03:22 PM
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IMHO barrel break in is only good for two things. Causing the ammo makers to sell more ammo and the barrel makers to sell more barrels. To listen to their BS I have ruined almost every barrel in my collection of firearms, most all of which shoot MOA or better. The only reason I MAYBE see to do the procedure is for target barrels and I admit, I did go through the incredible expense and PITA process to break in the barrels of two match rifles, an Armalite M15-A4(T) and an Armalite AR-50.
Considering my other ARs shoot just about as well with their stock barrels that were not broken in as does the M15-A4(T) does with its HB and broken in tells me that breaking in is pretty much a waste of fine ammo and several days of shooting.
Like you said though, if it makes one feel better by doing it, have at it. I'll spend my time shooting MOA or better groups with ruined barrels and be perfectly content.
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Old 11-29-2004, 03:58 PM
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Well I do use a barrel break-in for rifles not pistols. So if its just yea or nay - I'll guess I'll vote for a break-in.

But I do it my way. 1) Clean, use J-B bore polish and clean again before I shoot either a used or new rifle to me. 2) Don't shoot more than 10 rounds through a new rifle 1st time out (not a problem with used rifle). 3) Don't let new rifle barrel get hot 1st time out. 4) Clean, polish, and clean again. So far a new rifle its not hard - two longer cleaning sessions with a short trip to the range in between.

Now, if I were to get a custom target rifle with a specific recommended break in, I would probably try to follow it. On a hunting rifle I would probably use mine even if manuf. wanted more.

Would ask those that are resisting break-in procedures to relay in more detail the procedure they say they are unwilling to follow.
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Old 11-30-2004, 03:26 AM
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With the sole exception of bench rest guns, its a waste. Shoot it and have fun. It still breaks in.
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Old 12-02-2004, 05:23 AM
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Mossyoak: I agree with you. A few years ago I customized a Ruger 10/22 with a very nice Clarke barrel. Like you, I read various wildly detailed procedures for barrell break in on the Internet and elsewhere. I mean, you'ld be looking at a long afternoon's work, shooting a shot, cleaning with various solvents, shooting a second shot, etc. None of it made real sense to me, so I called the good folks at Clarke about it, and they nearly laughed in my face. According to the source, all those procedures where unecessary with a well made barrel. They recommended cleaning after each shooting session. "Take your gun out, shoot all you want, bring it home and clean it." --MB
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Old 12-02-2004, 04:43 PM
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Does anyone agree with me concerning barrel break in?

It's a pain to do, but I think it helps to get the best out of a barrel.

Check out: http://www.border-barrels.com/shoot-in.htm

The cleaning agent these people recommend is a non toxic foam that really attacks copper. Outers sell it under the brand Gunslick Foaming Bore Cleaner. If you want to make breaking-in your barrel less onerous maybe this is the product to use.

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Old 12-03-2004, 09:14 AM
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Mykal,

I agree with you that 22 LR don't need break-ins. But center fire rifle barrels are a completely different aminal than the rimfire barrels. Rimfire barrels don't need a break in - They even shoot best with little or NO cleaning to the rifling!

I too have a barrel from Clark Custom Guns on my 10/22. I assume this is the "Clarke" you have. Mine has a match chamber and is real accurate - They make good barrels! My rifle actually held a world record in the Top Gun Competition for over a year. Here's the target:

Ray: Yep, Clarke and Clark are the same! They have great customer service as well as great barrels. The ongoing discussion about barrell break ins aside, thanks for including your target. Talk about your "one ragged hole"! tremendous shooting! You must have about jumped out of your skin that day, seeing that target. Makes me want to grab the 10/22 and head for the range. Lately, though, I've been shooting the heck out of my new Ruger 77/17 Target Gray. Even stock, it's an accurate little cartridge and rifle. by the way, I noticed you were shooting Eley Match ammo. My 10/22 seems to prefer a higher velocity/pressure ammo for both reliable cycling and accuracy. Are you using an after market bolt or springs? --MB
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Have tried the Lupua, Eley, RWS, Remington and Winchester premium ammo in my factory heavy barreled and stocked 10/22. Of all ammo, it likes the PMC Target best.
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