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Old 12-14-2004, 06:40 PM
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7mm-08 vs .308 win


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Why is it that all the rage seems to be 7mm-08 and it appears to be displacing the venerable old proven .308 Win.

Winchester stopped chambering the .308 Win in their M70 compact model.

What is the real world advantage of 7mm-08 over a .308? What is the history?

Was it just Remington's competition to winchester cartridge.

I guess I'm just a young guy who is old school 30 caliber (or larger) kind of guy.
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I dont think there is anything wrong with either, They will do the same thing( kill animals 600lbs and less) but the 7-08 will do it with lighter bullets with a higher BC and less recoil .
Thats about it. It mostly boils down to personal prefrence.
As for selling rifles? who knows? how about a super d duper short action super mag that kicks the snot out of you and rounds are 2 bucks a piece
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Old 12-14-2004, 07:33 PM
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I don't know that the 7-08 is displacing the .308, regardless of Winchester's decision in the Compact. When I look at the stack-outs of ammo prior to hunting season, there are lots of 308's and very few 7-08's.

As for performance, it would probably be difficult to tell the difference.
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Old 12-15-2004, 05:57 AM
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I think Winchester only has the M70 Compact in .243 and 7mm-08 because they are designed more or less for young and small in stature shooters. They are limiting the recoil amount in those guns I believe (but don't quote me) for that reason.
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I suspect M1 has it correct: the 7mm-08 has carved out a niche in the youth and ladies' market, but, it certainly has satisfied my tastes as well, not only for BC, but also for the SD of .284 bullets. If you want a real zealot's point of view go to: www.members.tripod.com/sed88/rem7/
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Old 12-16-2004, 04:50 PM
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As for performance, it would probably be difficult to tell the difference.
EXACTLY my point. They seem to do exactly the same thing. The virtually seems to be the difference between .284 caliber versus .308.

Sure seems like splitting hairs to me!

Also what is the real world felt recoil difference between these 2 guns? I have to believe that if the average shooter was blind folded they would not be able to tell the difference. That shooter being a man, women or child.
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Old 12-16-2004, 05:29 PM
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The same could be said of the 7X57 and any of the military/hunting rounds introduced after 1892. I use the 7 Mauser on dang near everything, even though the safe holds a pile of rifles .22 Hornet to .45-70(ruger). The 7-08 is its ballistic twin. There's good mojo in 7mm bullets.Try one w/140 or 150gr. Partitions. All the punishment is at the target end of things.
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Old 01-10-2005, 05:57 PM
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ruger offers a compac rifle in 308 and 7-08 i think . I have a brother who has one in a 308 and likes it .. serves him well on deer here in
Arkansas..
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Old 01-10-2005, 07:59 PM
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From Ken Waters' "Pet Loads" (page 215; originally published in the Nov. 80 issue of "Handloader"): "At the risk of inviting the oft-heard criticism of writers who praise new products, I'm going to say flat-out that Remington's 7mm-08 is one of the finest, most practical, and useful cartridges for the average hunter that it has been my good forture to work with...."

And, Ken Waters knows a thing or two about hunting cartridges.
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Well, I will go out on that limb too. I think that in the hunting world the 7mm-08 could someday eclipse the .308. This would be entirely due to the better ballistics allowed by a .285 bullet over a .308. The .308 has to go to the heaviest bullets to find ballistic coefficients equal to those of the far lighter .284s, and then the .308 is getting into reduced powder charges because of the size of the heavy bullet protruding into the powder space. My own experience with the two rounds has given me a preference for the 7mm-08 over the .308 - less recoil, fine accuracy, and you cannot kill a deer deader than dead. The .308 will remain a fine cartridge for the GI semi-automatics, but possibly only because it got there first.
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Old 01-15-2005, 01:58 PM
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Well, I will go out on that limb too. I think that in the hunting world the 7mm-08 could someday eclipse the .308. This would be entirely due to the better ballistics allowed by a .285 bullet over a .308. The .308 has to go to the heaviest bullets to find ballistic coefficients equal to those of the far lighter .284s, and then the .308 is getting into reduced powder charges because of the size of the heavy bullet protruding into the powder space. My own experience with the two rounds has given me a preference for the 7mm-08 over the .308 - less recoil, fine accuracy, and you cannot kill a deer deader than dead. The .308 will remain a fine cartridge for the GI semi-automatics, but possibly only because it got there first.
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Better ballistics at what range for deer size animals that .308's are used for????. Is the difference between the 7-08 and the .308 realistically different inside 200 yards?

I guess I'm just a heavy bullet person. Probably because none of my shooting is more than 100 yards. I use a 35 Rem and would love to have a .358 win or 444 Marlin.
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It has been my experience and my opinion, that the 7mm-08 will shoot flatter at a greater distance than the .308. Both are obviously excellent rounds. If I was shooting 250-300yd plus shots in a plains area I'd want a flatter shooting round. That is the 7mm-08.



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Better ballistics at what range for deer size animals that .308's are used for????. Is the difference between the 7-08 and the .308 realistically different inside 200 yards?

I guess I'm just a heavy bullet person. Probably because none of my shooting is more than 100 yards. I use a 35 Rem and would love to have a .358 win or 444 Marlin.
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Looking at Remington's web site looks like the 7-08 with a 140 grain bullet enjoys a 189 fps advantage over the 308 with a 150 grain bullet. The energy advantage is 146 foot pounds and 1" less drop, this is all at 300 yards with a 200 yard zero. If that's kicking butt, I guess I'll change but I don't think so. The disavantages I see are a lighter bullet with a smaller diameter, should mean a smaller wound channel, the higher BC (076) and Velocity may help the 7-08 offset the lighter bullet when it comes to penetration. Remington also only lists a 120 and 140 grain factory loads for the 7-08, Winchester only lists a 140 grain load, while there are lots of 308 selections. I guess if you want to take advantage of this hugh advantage you had better start handloading, but if you look at those figures they might surprise you too. The only real advantage I can see is the recoil, a lighter bullet pushed by less powder should indeed result in lighter recoil. Now I'm not going to say if your a boy a woman or a girly man or even an old fart like me the 7-08 may be for you, nope I'm not going to say it.
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Both cartridges are extremely versatile for the handloader. 30 caliber and 7mm both have wide varieties of bullets available for just about any task in North America, aside from big bears.

As mentioned previously, the only true advantage of the 7-08 is the lighter bullet/higher velocity/less recoil thing. For a youth/ladie's gun or a very lightweight rifle, I would probably choose the 7-08 over the 308. Otherwise, I'll stick to my 308.

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I've used a 7mm-08 for almost5 15 years now in Mississippi. The reason i went to it is because i paralyzed my left arm in a motot cycle wreck at 18. I've killed 30 or so deer, some big. Core-lokts, pass throughs with massive damage. Ballistic tips, few pass throughs, massive damage. Result with 7mm-08, massive damage, less recoil then 308, short, short blood trail.
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Data can be controversial depending on how it is used. Consider the efficiency of the cartridges. What is the return in velocity / energy per grain of powder burned? Looking at things from this point of view you can make the case for the .308 Winchester being the most efficient .30 caliber cartridge in it's class. You could also make the case that the 7mm/08 Remington in the .284" class is not the most efficient 7mm. In comparsion of the two cartridges data can be very controversial depending on how you use the data. Both cartridges are efficient for their caliber depending on how you use data in comparison. For what it's worth. Wish you all the best.
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Old 10-20-2007, 09:18 AM
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This is the 30-06/270 argument all over. Both the 308 and the 7mm-08 do exactly the same thing and fall into exactly the same niche, though according to sales figures the 308 is way the most popular of the two.

I'd bet the game animals these two cartridges are designed to kill can't tell a bit of difference. I have a 308 and a 280 Remington and I sure can't tell a bit of difference to practical hunting ranges.

Bottom line is their all great cartridges and all work well. The one's I hate to see is the question on "which bullet in the 204 Ruger is best for deer".
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Old 10-20-2007, 10:33 AM
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Welcome aboard, jbj.

There really is no practical difference between them. The 7 has a very slight advantage in SD/BC, but the .30 will launch a bullet of the same weight slightly faster due to greater "piston" area and shorter bearing length - but in both categories the differences are negligible.

The same goes for trajectory. The 7 may be a bit "flatter" but even on paper the difference is less than the width of the scope reticle at ANY range, which is no difference at all. Figure in field conditions and there's even less to tell them apart.

Recoil - in the same rifle, with the same bullet weight and powder charge - will be indistinguishable.

Heck, at beyond arm's length, you can't even tell which is which by looking at them.
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they are both great cartridges and i absolutely agree that a deer shot at any sensible range would not be able to tell the difference between the two. same could probably be said for elk as well.
i have a 7/08 in a 15" encore and absolutely love it. i don't have a .308, however i was a 60 gunner in the marine corps and have a real appreciation for the cartridge. i do have a remington classic in 300 savage and using the sierra data it is the equal of the .308 (i.e. 150 gr bullet @ 2800 fps) anyhow, shot a pronghorn last week, wasn't the longest shot but very decisive.
i guess the jist of it to me is that these are both great cartridges that generally ANYBODY can shoot well, they are effective enough to take most any game that the majority of us will ever get to hunt, and while their performance is great they aren't so fast as to demand a premium bullet yet are fast enough to make good use of one if you want to spend the extra scratch.
i'm a mauser man, and love the '06 and many of the cartridges based on it, i also have a strong affinity for the 7mag and the 300 H&H, but this short action 700 and the original 300 short mag(300 savage) are quickly moving to the top of my list of favorites.
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I just have to say this. I have hunted with the 7/08 for over 15 years now and have had fewer deer to trail after the shot than 30/30's, 44's, .270's and one 45/70. Nuff said
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