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Old 10-18-2005, 06:44 PM
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sight picture with irons - 6 o'clock, or center hold?


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Curious exactly how people sight in their rifles (or shotguns or long range pistols, really) that have iron sights. Seems to me that there would likely be two main schools of thought:

1. A 6 o'clock hold (ie. hold the entire target above the front sights) with a square front post.

2. A center hold (cover the target) with a bead front sight.

Of course these two can be somewhat reversed, and there are lots of variations. I tend to use a square notch rear sight with a front post, but a peep rear sight with a front bead.

I can see advantages / disadvantages either way. Most of my iron sight hunting has been with handguns, at short range. I've shot a few pigs with a 99 savage with a front bead, using a center hold. I also shot under a deer once with a 8x57 sporter, using a square front post (forgot exactly how it was sighted in).

As hunting season ramps up, I'd like to hear how people sight in, at what ranges, etc.
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Old 10-18-2005, 06:53 PM
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I like the bullet to go right where the sights are aimed at the designated distance. For target shooting with a fixed size target at a fixed distance the 6 oclock is great, but I don't care for it for field use. I do this the same way with whatever kind of sights are on the rifle/handgun in question. 100 yards for rifles and 50 yards for handguns.
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Only time a ture 6 o'clock hold is the best choice is when shooting tradtional bullseye targets....known distance, constant target size, and you get to aim at the very bottom of the target (the "aim small-miss small" philosophy.
Shooting irregual shaped targets (game) isn't best served with the 6 o'clock hold.
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Old 10-18-2005, 07:14 PM
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Agree with comments above.

Six o'clock hold is fine for paper punching at a round bullseye, but for hunting I prefer the center hold.
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Old 10-18-2005, 07:36 PM
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Likewise. I use the 6 o'clock hold for bullseye pistol, but I instinctively put the centre of the bead where I want the bullet to hit when I'm hunting. I don't know whether using a peep sight re-enforces a centre hold or if I can't break the habits I learned with the old Cooey a long time ago.

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Old 10-18-2005, 08:10 PM
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Me too. The only rifles I have that sport iron sights are levers. They are sighted in at 50 yards or 100 yards, depending on caliber. My 94BB wears a Williams peep and the original front sight with the bead filed off to make the front a tapered post with a very narrow point at the top. I prefer this for more accurate long range work. By long range I mean out to 150 yards or so. Clay pigeons are no problem out to 100 yards.
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Old 10-18-2005, 09:09 PM
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I use tandem aperture sights - (an aperture on the front sight that is centred on the target.... and that aperture is then centred in the aperture of the rear sight). So, I prefer to zero with the sights set so that POA coincides exactly with POI....at whatever range I choose to zero (usually, 100 metres).
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Old 10-19-2005, 05:09 AM
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same same

the "bead is the bullet"

I converted my main meat gun, a 10" superblackhawk 44 to a bead front and peep rear. Almost impossible to miss with that gun. made tons of venison.

never liked the six o;clock hold, always felt like I was shooting under the target.

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Old 10-19-2005, 06:10 AM
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I hate the bead sight - just never could get to be consistent with it. I use a post front site - a big one, .100" wide - with a Lyman reciever sight. When I shoot at a target, I do use a 6 o'clock hold for precise aiming, BUT I sight in so that the bullet hits the point of aim. When I aim at six o'clock, the six is what I hit. If the light is good, this works well out to 200 yards easily. Surprisingly, using my 336A 30-30, the bullet only drops about 3" at 200 yds when sighted at 100, despite what trajectory tables say.
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I'd only use the 6oclock if I wanted to hit the bottom of a target. Guess it comes down to what your used to. For me its a clear front sight tip centered on a blurry target.
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Old 10-19-2005, 09:42 AM
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For peep sights with a bead, the bead is the bullet (center hold). When using a blade front sight with peep or open rear sights, I adjust the POI to the top of the blade at 100 yards so it's not quite the same as a 6 o'clock hold. Since I've started migrating to low powered scopes, this isn't such a big deal anymore.
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Old 10-19-2005, 01:15 PM
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Hold at 6 for setting the sights, go to your local superstore, get some large cardboard cut out a deer sized target or whatever you intend to hunt. With a pencil, draw a realistic shape of the heart lungs something you cannot see at 100yds and let it bang. Check and see if you put it in the boiler room of your quarry. If you hold at 6 then you should hit at 6, hold on center of mass for a heart lung shot you should hit there. The 6 oclock hold is a sighting aid and should be treated as such, there is no bullseyes on any game animal. The patridge sight is good for target or game shooting, when limiting yourself to irons, get a fiber optic for the front for shooting game.
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Old 10-19-2005, 03:27 PM
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6 hold is, as others have stated, great for targets. My garand and m1a are sighted this way, but all levers/hunting rifles I sight to bead is bullet.

Now pistols, I've never shot 6 hold. I was taught, by my pop who was a cop, to put the sight where you want to bullet to hit. I can shoot B'eye this way too.

Shotguns, well never shot a shotgun at paper. Again, dad toaught me to swing thru the target. He used to say;"backside belly beak Bang!!!!" I still think this every time a pheasant falls.
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Curious exactly how people sight in their rifles (or shotguns or long range pistols, really) that have iron sights. Seems to me that there would likely be two main schools of thought:

1. A 6 o'clock hold (ie. hold the entire target above the front sights) with a square front post.

2. A center hold (cover the target) with a bead front sight.

Of course these two can be somewhat reversed, and there are lots of variations. I tend to use a square notch rear sight with a front post, but a peep rear sight with a front bead.

I can see advantages / disadvantages either way. Most of my iron sight hunting has been with handguns, at short range. I've shot a few pigs with a 99 savage with a front bead, using a center hold. I also shot under a deer once with a 8x57 sporter, using a square front post (forgot exactly how it was sighted in).

As hunting season ramps up, I'd like to hear how people sight in, at what ranges, etc.

I agree with these good folks. Six o'clock hold for targets and dead center in the field. All the best...
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Old 10-20-2005, 03:35 PM
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Guess I'm bucking convention, I have my Guide Gun sighted in with a 6 o'clock setting and I keep the point of impact just above the front sight, almost splitting the bead. I use firesights. I responded to another thread and had this is memory so thought I'd post it again.

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Old 10-20-2005, 05:57 PM
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Hmmm, I thought there would be more 6 o'clock holders. Interesting....

Now... a follow-up question. How do you sight in your hunting rifles with irons vs. a scope? For example, I normally sight in scopes 2 inches high at 100 yards, pretty much regardless of caliber. This gives the flat-shooting rifles about a 200 yard zero (ie. .30-06 et al), the medium-trajectory rifles a 150 yard zero (.35 Rem, .30-30, .458 Win Mag), and the pistol-cartridge rifles a 125 yard zero (.45 Colt, .44 Mag).

Would you sight in the same for both scopes and irons?
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Old 10-20-2005, 06:40 PM
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My scoped 7mm Rem Mag and 300 Win Mag Sauer 202 26" barrels are sighted in 1" high at 200 yards.

My scoped 25-06 Ruger #1V 22" barrel is sighted in dead on at 300 yards.

My scoped 243 Winchester CZ 20" barrel is not yet sighted in but I intend to sight it in dead on at 200 yards.

My scoped 30-30 Marlin 22" barrel is sighted in 1" high at 100 yards.

My open sights 45-70 Guide Gun w/18.5" barrel is sighted in 6 o'clock dead on at 125 yards.
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Im with flashhole, i was never "taught" how to shoot, so thats just how i started and havent let it go. Ive killed whitetails out to 125yds with my 12 gauge using sighting in w/ the 6'oclock hold method.

Remington 870 open sights dead on at 100yds 6'oclock hold

Ruger m77 30-06 scope 2" high at 100yds

Ruger 10/22 dead on at 50yds doesnt stray more than 1" up to 10 yds out

mossberg 702 plinkster (.22) same as 10/22

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As with MikeG, dial-in my rifles for a 2", 2 1/2" above 100 yd center, regardless of caliber or cartridge. As an example, this puts the 45-70 good for zero at150 yds and the fast stepping 6mm/284, 6.5-06, 7 Rem Mag and 7 Dakota for 275 yds. Everything in between (6.5x55's, 30-06, 375 Win, etc) will zero between these distances.

Just depends on exactly what I'm hunting as to what firepower is taken afield. Each has a small slip taped to the underside to indicate the trajectories at given ranges. Never leave home without your rangefinder!
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Old 10-21-2005, 08:10 AM
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With two exceptions, everything I have is sighted dead on at 100 yards, from 44 mag to 300 Sav to 45-70. Practice tells me how much to hold over for longer shots, but I don't think I've ever taken a shot at a game animal over 130 yards.

Those two exceptions are my coyote rifle, a Rem 700 in 243 that wears a 12x varmint scope and is sighted dead on at 300 yards, and an iron sighted 357 mag which is set at 50 yards.
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