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Old 11-27-2005, 05:26 PM
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Does anyone make a long gun in 460 S&W?

For you guys that know ballistics, please answer this: If this round develops 200 grains loads at 2300 FPS in a 7.5" revolver, what would it do with a closed breech 16.5" to 22" rifle?
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Old 11-27-2005, 07:44 PM
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I didn't check to see if they do, but I'd be surprised if Wild West Guns in Anchorage, AK doesn't already have a lever action in 460 S&W. They did one for the 500 S&W that I saw at Shot Show this past February.
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Old 11-28-2005, 12:24 PM
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There are none that I have gotten wind of yet, and I stay
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the upcoming (Feb) shot show, for sure.
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Old 11-28-2005, 03:32 PM
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I don't know of any, but I've had the passing thought of reboring my .454 1885 High Wall to .460. With my .454 rifle (28 inch barrel), I see a 500 fps increase over my .454 revolver (Super Redhawk, 7.5 in. barrel). I would assume you could expect a similar increase in a .460 revolver, but it would depend on a number of factors.
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Old 12-04-2005, 08:35 PM
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I don't know of any, but I've had the passing thought of reboring my .454 1885 High Wall to .460. With my .454 rifle (28 inch barrel), I see a 500 fps increase over my .454 revolver (Super Redhawk, 7.5 in. barrel). I would assume you could expect a similar increase in a .460 revolver, but it would depend on a number of factors.
If you were to get a 300-400 fps increase in a .460 carbine vs a revolver, that would make a very good, fast handling brush gun with decent medium range ability. It will be interesting to see what comes out.
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Old 12-05-2005, 08:28 PM
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I wonder how the rifling would be set up, the revolvers are using gain twist rifling
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Old 12-05-2005, 08:37 PM
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I'm pretty sure they call it the 45-70 Government...or the .450 Marlin. Ballisitcs can't be all that far apart.

What do you suppose the purpose of the gain rifling is? I have a couple ideas that seem valid to me, but I'm curious what everyone else thinks. I figure revolver torque (recoil) and lead bullet usage are two primary reasons, but I don't have any factual information that brings me to those two conclusions.
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Old 12-05-2005, 09:17 PM
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I am sure torque plays a factor in the gain twist decision, plus in a revolver, you get all that jump between the bullet and the rifling, something going that hard in a straight line and then being expected to twist fast must play heck with everything, starting with a slower twist would eliminate some of that stress
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Look at Thompson Center Pro Hunter Encore Katahdin S&W 460 & S&W 500 in 20" rifles . I have a 20" Bullberry S&W 460 mag Encore rifle barrel http://www.bullberry.com
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Old 03-06-2007, 12:41 PM
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I know that Wild West Guns does work with the Marlin 1894, but I have never heard that they can make it shoot the 460 S&W. H&R Hnadi rifles may have a 460 out. It seems that this one is likely to turn up sooner or later. It would be nice if such a lever cation that would shoot the 460, would also shoot the 45 Colt, but I wonder if that is possible? It seems that if one loaded a heavy long bullet to longer length it might work, otherwise perhaps one could the 454 and if one could obtain brass cheap enough, that would be nice.
The problem, as you are aware is the 1894 action will not take the pressure of either 460 or 454, however it might be possible if one used the 336 action ( not to suggest that action could be designed to accomadate that much pressure), as was used on early 44 magnum.
That would make an interesting lever actrion rifle. Perhaps someone here that is an expert on lever actions has the dope on this?
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460 S&W rifle

I am a new to the S&W 460 shooter. I have not yet loaded for this cartridge so I am a long way from knowledgable. But, I did just purchase a 20" 460 Katadin Pro Hunter barrel for my Encore rifle. I plan to use it for White Tail deer this fall in Indiana. The short barrel makes this rifle very handy in a tree stand and should render aprox 2600 fps from the Hornady 200 grain load. I will begin prepareing this rifle for deer season soon and will let you guys know of any quirks or peculiarities.
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Old 08-21-2010, 09:47 PM
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I am a new to the S&W 460 shooter. I have not yet loaded for this cartridge so I am a long way from knowledgable. But, I did just purchase a 20" 460 Katadin Pro Hunter barrel for my Encore rifle. I plan to use it for White Tail deer this fall in Indiana. The short barrel makes this rifle very handy in a tree stand and should render aprox 2600 fps from the Hornady 200 grain load. I will begin prepareing this rifle for deer season soon and will let you guys know of any quirks or peculiarities.
I've got a buddy with the same Encore you're shooting and he's getting 2700fps from the 200gr FTX loads. That's an easy 250-yard deer gun, in terms of trajectory. Of course, it's effective for an even greater range, if you allow for drop.
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Old 08-21-2010, 09:50 PM
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Does anyone make a long gun in 460 S&W?

For you guys that know ballistics, please answer this: If this round develops 200 grains loads at 2300 FPS in a 7.5" revolver, what would it do with a closed breech 16.5" to 22" rifle?
I know that several members on GBO have reamed their .45 Colt barrels to .454 and .460. Might be a possibility. The .45LC Buffalo Classics are for sale at several sites for 199 to 250 dollar range and renting a reamer is about 70 bucks or you might find a local smith who can ream it for you reasonably. These have a 20" barrel. I like mine, but it's staying .45 Colt so I can use the same ammo in my Ruger and Carbine.
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Contendermax, just a word of caution. The FTX bullets designed for handguns are only rated at 2300 fps. If you go up to the 300gr ML bullet you should be in the 2300-2400fps range.
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Yes! Check out this http://www.ruger.com/products/no1Med...r/models.htmlk

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Old 01-05-2011, 03:34 PM
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Wow, tht Ruger is a beauty. Pricy too. I would love to read any users range reports with this 460 caliber rifle. What other platforms can you think of that might be more in the price range for your working guy type hunter?
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Old 01-05-2011, 03:56 PM
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Some folks have rechambered an H&R Buffalo Carbine in 45 Colt to 460 S&W Magnum. This is a light rifle. Even though I have never shot one, I would consider the recoil significant. Not sure what the advantage would be over a 45/70. You have a lot more choices with that chambering.
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Old 01-05-2011, 04:26 PM
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It's all about some silly Indiana laws that slowly, painfully, is increasing the allowable power of cartridges alowable to hunt deer. Case length 1.625 max now, 1.8 next year. Bullet diameter must be .357 min. I tried two H&R rifles, one rechambered 44 to 445, and one in 50 S&W. Both had dismal accuracy problems even after much tinkering, sendbacks, and ammo development, and one leaked gas enough to smudge the case and breech. I'd be eager to hear of good experiences, and of other platforms. Thanks
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It's all about some silly Indiana laws that slowly, painfully, is increasing the allowable power of cartridges alowable to hunt deer. Case length 1.625 max now, 1.8 next year. Bullet diameter must be .357 min. I tried two H&R rifles, one rechambered 44 to 445, and one in 50 S&W. Both had dismal accuracy problems even after much tinkering, sendbacks, and ammo development, and one leaked gas enough to smudge the case and breech. I'd be eager to hear of good experiences, and of other platforms. Thanks
I've been discussing the proposed (and soon-to-be-passed) changes to the Indiana PCR regulations with a bunch of concerned and knowledgeable folks, including a fine gunsmith who goes by the name of "ASSASSIN" on these pages. The increase from 1.625" to 1.8" seems rather insignificant, but what it does is add a very potent, factory "pistol" cartridge to the lineup of legal choices! This will mean a lot more hunters can spend a few bills and head out to the woods with a long-range gun, without having to become a handloader or get into wildcat cartridges. It really changes the game, I think.

IMHO, the very best way to take advantage of this change would be with a T/C Encore and Katahdin barrel, in 460S&W. Have a brake installed, as a good friend of mine did, and you'll have something that kicks like a 308 and has the trajectory and energy to kill deer at 300 yards, or very nearly so. Truth be told, it will have the energy to kill deer at twice that range, but the hold-over would become severe. For most hunters, especially those of us in Indiana, 300 yards is quite far enough. (You've also got a great gun to kill just about any large/dangerous game at reasonable distances, something the shorter, 35-caliber wildcats that Indiana has spawned cannot claim.)

As for the H&R rifles, I have one in a 35 caliber wildcat (358GNR) and it has been flawless. Other friends of mine have them in 357Max and get velocity that is very near 35 Remington numbers, with 180gr bullets. All of the above are good for 200+ yard shots on deer, but the 460S&W takes it to another level, entirely. I think you would find that with the right help, your H&R rifles will function perfectly and deliver very good accuracy.

Almost forgot to mention: I would not even consider a 460S&W in the H&R...with factory loads, it's just too much pressure, so I'd go with the Encore.
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Old 01-05-2011, 07:09 PM
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Thanks for the ideas. Not to bash the H&R, I loved the little rifle and it is "handier" hence the name perhaps, than the more expensive Encore. Just counldn't get a good one. Encores have a reputation for accuracy, so there is one. Now, how about a repeater? I tried in vain to use the 445 Supermag in the Marlin, but no go. Too long. No one I know wanted to chamber a bolt gun for it, so I spent a lot of fun time and bucks developing loads and testing for a cartridge/gun that would never shoot. Not sure how much better the 460 is than the 445 would have been, but that's water under the bridge now. All I ask out of life is a tack driving rifle that will provide 308 terminals out to beyond 200 yards with a trajectory I can live with. It seems to me that Indiana is slowly moving toward allowing high powered rifles and not brave enough to do it in one change. Lot's of time and bucks went into last years "Indiana rifle". Anyhow, thanks for the info, and keep it coming. MIke PS: Keep in mind that what we have to improve on is the 12 gauge rifled barrel shotgun, that will develop 3800 ft pounds and group inside two inches at 100 yards. Not a bad 200 yard killer if you can stand the recoil and learn to group with that ferocious kick that requres non standard bag techniques. Oh yea, there is the trajectory.
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