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Old 01-23-2006, 02:39 PM
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Question 7.62x54 vs 30-06


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I have very limited experience with centerfire cartridges, I only used 7.62x54R in M44 carabine. How this cartridge is in comparison with 30-06 in Remington 700? Recoil, accuracy, trajectory etc?

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Old 01-23-2006, 02:52 PM
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I have very limited experience with centerfire cartridges, I only used 7.62x54R in M44 carabine. How this cartridge is in comparison with 30-06 in Remington 700? Recoil, accuracy, trajectory etc?

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Pretty hard comparison....ballistics show not much difference (the 30-06 is a bit more powerful). On the recieving end of a bullet, doubt the crittr would know the difference.


If you were to pull the recoil pad off the Remnington, put on a set of sights about like the M44 carbine, and adjust teh remington's trigger until it about matched the M44, would probably shoot just about the same and recoil about the same.

With teh recoil pad on the rem., the trigger readjusted to a reasonable level, and better iron sights...the Rem. will shoot much better. Put a scope on the remington and experiment with ammo, it won't even be close.
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Old 01-23-2006, 03:08 PM
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I have a recoil pad on M44 and it is scoped. I think that as M44 is heavier, recoil should be more from Remington, right?
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Old 01-23-2006, 03:26 PM
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Don't know if the M44 would handle the same amount of pressure as the 06 would it? I'm curious as I've got an M44 too.
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Old 01-23-2006, 04:00 PM
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Don't know if the M44 would handle the same amount of pressure as the 06 would it? I'm curious as I've got an M44 too.
Probably not....certainly not wise to find out. Comes pretty close looking at issue ammo, the 30-06 can do better but it's not a giant leap in ballistics. Same deal with recoil, would be more a matter of gun-fit than anything else.
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Probably will stay under 2500 fps with 180's in mine. Would be cool to take deer with tho. If I miss I could get him with the bayonet

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Old 01-23-2006, 07:45 PM
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I've been running full power loads in my 7.62x54R's but each one had been carefully checked (the bolts & recievers were magnafluxed by a friend in a lab). Maybe not fool proof but gives you some piece of mind. I can still squeeze just a little more out of the '06 but only by sacraficing accuracy.

Primarily run a modified Lee .312-185, now a FN bullet weighing in at 193gr and dropping from the mold at .3125" GC's are just a little too small so I glue a .313" x 3/32" nitro wad to the base w/ Titebond exterior glue. Sierra 180gr pointed runs well but I like the Speer RN for hunting just because of the awesome performance they've given me in the past in the '06.

Accuracy will depend on the individual rifle as with any other kind as well. My 44's bore is not all that great but it'll still put the cast bullets at or under 1.5" and jacketed under 1.75" @ 100. Got an excellent bore 91/30 that will shoot sub MOA with just about anything you feed it. The other 91/30 will do MOA easily w/ jacketed or cast and this one has some use on it. I don't work my triggers unless they are to the point of being ecessively heavy/rough. For what it's worth, I've seen quite a few domestic sporters that could not shoot worth a hoot.
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Probably will stay under 2500 fps with 180's in mine. Would be cool to take deer with tho. If I miss I could get him with the bayonet

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7.62x54r is a great round in its' own right. A 203 grain hunting round will drop almost anything in the U.S. . Some folks use them for Moose here in N.H., But a 30.06 it is not. 30.06 wins in the distance category.

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Old 01-24-2006, 04:39 AM
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I'm shooting the same exact load (180gr jacketed RN) in both and the longer barrel 91/30 gives a velocity 45fps faster than the sporter '06. I'm sure if you went with a custom platform '06, you could probably get a little more out of it than the 91/30 could do but comparing apples to apples, the 7.62x54R also done in a custom platform could be loaded to run side by side with the '06 without a problem. All in all, no matter how you stack it, by rights the two rounds are equal so how can you make a statement about the '06 winning the distance catagory when both are using the same weight bullet only one being .308" and the other being .311" and both traveling at the same speed?????

BTW, I paid $85 for my 91/30 in 2001 and $365 for my '06 back in 1983. Both will average .55" five round groups @ 100 yds.

Ya know, this kinda ties to the other thread on this forum where people try to compare the 30-30 to the 7.62x39 and the 39 takes a beating because people want to compare shooting mil-surp ammo in a beat to crap military rifle to handloads in a sporting rifle....there is no comparison! You want to compare, make it fair. They want to compare the terminal performance of the two rounds using two completely different bullets and it doesn't work no matter how you twist it.

Another thing is like you said about using the 203gr bullets in the 7.62x54R but are likely comparing these to 180gr bullets in the '06. That's like saying the .300 Win Mag won't shoot as flat as the .300 Weatherby Mag but you're using a 220gr bullet in the Win and a 150gr bullet in the Wby. If you're going to compare, make it equal and compare apples to apples, not apples to a bologny sandwich.

Here's a link to S&B web site listing the spec's on their factory loaded ammunition. Look at the 180gr SP in the .30-06 and the 180gr SP in the 7.62x54R and tell me what you see. http://www.sellier-bellot.cz/rifle-ammunition.php
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Old 01-24-2006, 07:49 AM
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I'm shooting the same exact load (180gr jacketed RN) in both and the longer barrel 91/30 gives a velocity 45fps faster than the sporter '06. I'm sure if you went with a custom platform '06, you could probably get a little more out of it than the 91/30 could do but comparing apples to apples, the 7.62x54R also done in a custom platform could be loaded to run side by side with the '06 without a problem. All in all, no matter how you stack it, by rights the two rounds are equal so how can you make a statement about the '06 winning the distance catagory when both are using the same weight bullet only one being .308" and the other being .311" and both traveling at the same speed?????

BTW, I paid $85 for my 91/30 in 2001 and $365 for my '06 back in 1983. Both will average .55" five round groups @ 100 yds.

Ya know, this kinda ties to the other thread on this forum where people try to compare the 30-30 to the 7.62x39 and the 39 takes a beating because people want to compare shooting mil-surp ammo in a beat to crap military rifle to handloads in a sporting rifle....there is no comparison! You want to compare, make it fair. They want to compare the terminal performance of the two rounds using two completely different bullets and it doesn't work no matter how you twist it.

Another thing is like you said about using the 203gr bullets in the 7.62x54R but are likely comparing these to 180gr bullets in the '06. That's like saying the .300 Win Mag won't shoot as flat as the .300 Weatherby Mag but you're using a 220gr bullet in the Win and a 150gr bullet in the Wby. If you're going to compare, make it equal and compare apples to apples, not apples to a bologny sandwich.

Here's a link to S&B web site listing the spec's on their factory loaded ammunition. Look at the 180gr SP in the .30-06 and the 180gr SP in the 7.62x54R and tell me what you see. http://www.sellier-bellot.cz/rifle-ammunition.php
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Mark, I will admit I don't have the Ballistics on hand, but from my experience on the range, having used both cartridges, the 30.06 wins out at distances over 400 meters. How many shoots nowadays are over 400 meters? Hunting shots over 100 yards? Have your eyes gotten worse, mine have! I now shoot 7.62x54r exclusively! I use a 1943 91/30 and a 1954 Hungarian M44 for Military shoots. I am in no way bashing the Russian cartridge, I am a proponent of it!! I like the 203 grain bullet, it has better killing power @ 150 or less yards over the 180 grain 30.06. The 30.06 has some attributes that the 7.62 does not. It may very well be due to the firearm itself, but since similar action commercial rifles are scarce to say the least, it would be hard to judge the true potential of this cartridge. I like it, I shoot it! We each have our own opinion on every subject when it comes to firearms. We share them, and some times we learn something new.
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Old 01-24-2006, 06:54 PM
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you can re-barrel a 91/30 or M44 with a brand new barrel for around $135 including gunsmith fees to R&R complete job and have a real shooter.

I think CZ offers a sporter version in 7.62x54R in thier euro market, maybe wrong on this and it may be FN but dang it I know I've seen them but definitely not cheap.
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can I shoot 30-06 ammo in my 7.62x54r made by westinghouse and is it safe?
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Definitely no. The .30-06 is a longer case and will not fit. In any case, using ammunition of a different calibre is not safe, except for some straight walled revolver cases.

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Granted the velocities of the 54R can tie with the 06 in a longer tube. But remember the OP was asking about the M44 carbine. This will reduce the performance somewhat to the .308 Winchester (opening another can of worm)

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