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Old 06-20-2006, 01:39 AM
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Question .30-30 load for elk and bear


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Great forum! Lots of knowledge here.
I'm new to hunting (first year) and I bought a new Marlin 336a in a .30-30.
I'm primarily going to use it for deer but wanted to know some elk and bear loads
as well. Just factory loads please. I'll be hunting in thick forested lands of northern california. Anybody got any ideas of a cartridge that could be used for deer and bear at the same time? I'm having a hard time trying wrap my mind around all the different types of loads out there and when they should be used. What are the differences between a hollow point, soft point, silver tip anyways? And when should you use them? I would greatly appreciate any experiences with these.
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Old 06-20-2006, 03:37 AM
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Winchester 170 gr. Powerpoints?

Its considered a "CXP-2" which would place it in deer and black-bear category.

Remington makes a 170 gr. Core-lokt that fits the same bill...either or should waylay whatever you wanna bring home.

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Edit to add that this round would be good for piggies as well...recoil will be a bit more than a 150 grain, but probably only really noticable when shooting from a bench to get it zero'd.
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Old 06-20-2006, 07:52 AM
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Countless elk have fallen to the ol' thutty-thutty. In days past with a lot less hunting pressure and not-as-educated elk, getting close was not much of a problem. Today, elk are very hunter wise, especially in gun season, and getting close for effective 30-30 range (150 - 200 yd) takes lots of woodcraft and hunting ability.

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Old 06-20-2006, 07:04 PM
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Thumbs up Thanks a-heap

thanks for the advice.
The info on elk is appreciated. Sounds like there's some experience needed before
going Elk hunting. Sounds like my .30-06 would be a better bet than the .30-30 for Elk.
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Old 06-20-2006, 07:26 PM
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thanks for the advice.
The info on elk is appreciated. Sounds like there's some experience needed before
going Elk hunting. Sounds like my .30-06 would be a better bet than the .30-30 for Elk.
In days gone past some folks haversted deer for meat with the 32/20. They learned to get close and placed the shot.
Like wise many a deer fell to the 44/40.

Now if I had a 30/30 I would stay with in it's limits, and here in Ontario Canada a few Moose have fallen in front of the 30/30 and 32 Special.
The shots( more than one) were close and placed in the vitals

I would probably use my 35 Remington under the same rules.

But then , why if like me, you have the 3006. It makes sense to use the extra power.
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Old 06-20-2006, 08:00 PM
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To answer your original question, the 170 gr Remington CoreLokt will do all of the things you want without having to switch loads.
Lots of hunters use the 30-30 here in North Idaho, where shots on deer and elk are generally close due to the brush and terrain.

Now, having said that, if you have a 30-06 it is probably a preferable elk round. Still, I'd use the 30-30 if I wanted/needed to.
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Old 06-21-2006, 01:15 PM
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I think the 30-30 would do the job provided you stayed within it's limitations. Obviously I wouldn't recommend a 200 yard shot but if you're hunting in the timber where I'm guessing your shots will be under 100 yards, should do fine with a well placed bullet. A load that I'd recommend is Hornady's 160 grn Leverevolution. Can't go wrong with the '06 either.
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For those that used to use the 190 gr bullet from the 303 Savage in their 30-30s, Hawk Bullets makes a 190 gr flat nose for 30-30 velocities. http://www.hawkbullets.com/Pricelist.htm

This is a handload only deal but if you ask at a couple local gun clubs you should be able to find a friendly guy to load up a box of these for you.

Good hunting to you.
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Cali-newbie:

For the type of terrain you're hunting in I would feel comfortable hunting black bear and elk with a 30-30. I would consider using Federal 170 gr. Nosler Partitions on either of these game animals. For bears I would keep my range to 100 yards or less and elk 150 yards or less. Bullet placement is vital as with any caliber. It sounds as though your ranges will probably not exceed 100 yards and will in all likelihood be less than 100 yards. Also as was previously mentioned the new Hornady LeveRevolution would be great and corelokts & Power Points are hard to beat but for the bear/elk task I would use the Nosler Partitions or Hornady LeveRevolution.

For deer in the same terrain I'd use the Corelokts or Power Points in either 150 or 170 gr. I personally like the 170 gr. bullet. For me, under these conditions, I would not feel a need for the Hornady LeveRevolution. That's just me. If you were hunting elk in open country I'd suggest your 06. Unless of course you restricted your shots to 150 yards or less. Remember, as you've already been reminded, woodsmanship, knowledge of your game and rifle, and marksmanship are of the upmost importance to humanely harvest game.

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Old 06-21-2006, 07:36 PM
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Save the "thrutty thrutty for the deer and jackrabbits! Go purchase some of that Federal ammo in the 180 grain TBBC bullets or Nosler partitions and your set for elk steaks.
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so much good info

Thanks all for the information. the good thing about this forum is that it saves you years of trial and error and money everything from ammo to choosing the right firearm.
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Old 06-26-2006, 07:09 AM
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Thanks all for the information. the good thing about this forum is that it saves you years of trial and error and money everything from ammo to choosing the right firearm.
I reckon there have been more deer killed throughout the USA with a 30-30 than any other caliber to date. Elk, moose and big bear I will give credit to the 30-06 caliber and those 180 & 220 grain bullets.
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Old 06-26-2006, 10:46 AM
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The 170gr. nosler partition loaded by federal cartridge is a good load for the 30-30, but the new hornady leverevolution 160gr bullet w/ a soft pointed tip has lots of energy out to 300yds, and has taken elk, too. I myself would pick the 30-06 over the 30-30 for more stopping power and flatter trajectory. 165gr for deer and 180gr bullets for elk and bears.
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Old 07-01-2006, 02:35 AM
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The 170gr. nosler partition loaded by federal cartridge is a good load for the 30-30, but the new hornady leverevolution 160gr bullet w/ a soft pointed tip has lots of energy out to 300yds, and has taken elk, too. I myself would pick the 30-06 over the 30-30 for more stopping power and flatter trajectory. 165gr for deer and 180gr bullets for elk and bears.

I can't say I have had a lot of experience with the 30-30, but the 1 experience I had with a ballistically very similar round, the 30 Rem (Remington's semi-auto version) left a VERY lasting impression on me. And 1 that would tell me if you are going to hunt an animal that is capable of doing you serious harm (black bear), be very sure of your shot, and DO NOT GO WITH CHEAP BULLETS. Sorry for the caps, but let me explain. I was hunting with my brother (who was shooting a 30 Remington.) I was shooting a 30-'06. We were both tree-standing about 50 yards apart. About a 250-pound sow passed me and I let it go because I'd seen a much bigger boar there the day before. It went towards him. He's not a super-experienced hunter and next thing I know the war zone was on! He was looking the other way and didn't notice the bear until it was almost beneath his tree. He unloaded - 4 rounds of 170 grain round-nosed Remington factory loads on it. Bear got back up and took off. Twenty and 1/2 hours later (!) we caught up with it, down in a swamp and I had to go in a hole in the brush 2 feet tall and pushing my rifle ahead of me. Got the bear with a head shot (got very lucky) at about 10 steps. I NEVER want to do that again. Problem turned out to be 2 fold. All 4 shots never penetrated. The bullets deflected, went down the bone and took out the left shoulder and left knee. And as it goes without saying after that description he didn't wait for the best shot. Had he either A) waited for the right shot, OR B) used a premium bullet like the Nosler, that bear probably would have gone no more than 50 or 100 yards. But remember, these critters can kill you... it is not a deer. So be careful and use the best ammo you can, being very careful on shot placement as I'm sure you already know. Just a friendly reminder from someone who almost got chewed on! :-)
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Old 07-01-2006, 10:11 AM
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Perhaps you don't know much about the Nosler partition. Much different than an average roundnose bullet. The bullet is partitioned into 2 sections so the front half opens like a normal bullet while the rear half stays intact for very deep penetration and little if any deflection. At $1.25 a shot in my 25-06, it's not a cheapo style of bullet.
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seems like an old thread-been busy myself. The .30-30 in the hands of a skilled hunter with loads of the like of the 170 Partition is a strong candidate for what you have mentioned. This cartridged is still used this day quite extensively here in my parts. I too favor the partition in my 30-30AI and have shot quite a few bears and moose (liken to Elk?). It is not and repeat not a good caliber with soft jacketed bullets. Hardcast works exceptionally well.
I had a friend of mine give me 10 rounds of Revolution .30-30 160 grn I think they are, a very curious looking round. Still not have used them and probably will not either. Personally I think a "rubber" pointed tip on a .30-30 is about as useless as tits on a rabbit.
I don't believe the .30-30 was ever intended to be a down ranger as the long actions are. I will stick to what works all the time IF you can hunt in close and use the correct bullet and place your shot. If not then stick to the .30-06 it will work fine as it always has-with a few exceptions and that being bullet construction and wrong placement of shots.

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Perhaps you don't know much about the Nosler partition. Much different than an average roundnose bullet. The bullet is partitioned into 2 sections so the front half opens like a normal bullet while the rear half stays intact for very deep penetration and little if any deflection. At $1.25 a shot in my 25-06, it's not a cheapo style of bullet.
You may wish to re-read my post. Yes, I am familiar with I believe every make of mass-produced premium bullet out there currently, and use Nosler Partitions almost exclusively. I was actually recommending they or another premium bullet and warning away from inferior junk like the remington corelocks which did not penetrate on my brothers bear.
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