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Old 07-31-2006, 11:48 AM
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I'm looking for a long range rifle for some 1000 yard target shooting. Is there a decent model available from 200 to 400 dollars? I've been shooting a long time, mostly handguns though. All I have to use now is a Mosin Nagant. It has the range but I cant mount a scope efficiently to suit me.
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As many have stated on this question, your best bet would be a Savage or Stevens (made by Savage). Won't find many other rifles, other than used, that have the capability to target practice at that range. A .308 chambering would probably be best.
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Old 07-31-2006, 02:08 PM
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I don't think you will find any decent rifle for long range target shooting even close to that price. Probably the only rifle you can get for that price AND put even a cheap scope on it new would be a stevens 200. Their accuracy is good for a hunting rifle but good luck hitting paper at 1000yds. Best bet next to the 200 is a used rifle from Remington, Winchester, Ruger, or Weatherby, if you can find one in unrusted/pitted condition for a low enough price to scope the rifle(hopefully this price range doesn't include scope, though).
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Old 07-31-2006, 02:42 PM
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For 1000 yard shooting you will be looking at a little more money than that. 1000 yard guns are very heavy barrelled, and have a beefy stock with a wide flat forend. You won't find a gun like that for less than $700, and that will be on the cheap end. You can get a Savage or a Stevens in a .308, but you won't have the heavy barrel or the wide stock. It will shoot 1000 yards, but won't be as consistant. 1000 yard guns are mostly custom made. The gun needs to weigh at least 14-16 lbs. and have a trigger that is less than a pound of pull. Normally in the oz's. Good luck.
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Old 07-31-2006, 07:50 PM
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I reccommmend if you are going to go with a savage/stevens, check out savageshooters.com
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Old 08-01-2006, 10:01 AM
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Do you plan to compete in some type of competition or are you just wanting to shoot that far with a rifle? If your planning to do any real competition figure on spending around 2 to 4000.00 bucks. Note all the zeros.

Competition like car racing requires a certian level of equipment to be competitive. Being competitive in this day and age costs money.

Guns designed to shoot accruatly at 1000 yards are not inexpensive. I would suggest you go to some long range matches and talk to folks shooting. They can give you some idea what equipment is needed and what costs can be. Check the NRA web sight to find matches in your area.
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Old 08-01-2006, 10:31 AM
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Here is my vote. I have used a Howa 1500 Heavy barrel for years. Some info.
http://www.ar15.com/lite/topic.html?b=6&f=5&t=202603

This would be a great start. http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/86326

You can get a basic .308 Heavy barrel for around $400.00. Mine will shoot .5" at 200yards, 1" at 400yards. I don't have a longer range to see what she can really do!



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Old 08-01-2006, 10:56 AM
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I agree with faucettb. The only guns I've seen that are 100 yrd shooters cost between $2000 & $4000. I know Barrett has a couple of 50 bmg models that go for several tousand dollars and the price of the ammo for those I don't even want to think about.
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While I have never shot in a 1000yd match I have attended several at the Iowa 1000yd Club in Pella Iowa.
As has been stated most rifles shot at 1000 yds are custom built. However they do have a factory class where you use a factory rifle. Also as has been stated Savage Rifles work well in that class. You could get a Savage 10FP(mine is .223 wich is a bit weak for that range) in .308 (if you find a .260 Remington it is also a good cartridge for long range)and with some trigger work be competetive. Also one of the varmint models would work. You will have to do some work on the scope mounts(shimming) to get the elevation for that range( a .308 bullet will drop around 30-40" over 1000 yds). many scopes don't have the elevation without shimming up the mounts.
At 1000 yds your ability to dope the wind is the biggest limiting factor.
I think I paid $360 for my .223 10FP, by the time you get a good scope and mounts you will be close to $500.
Your best bet is to go to a match and talk to the shooters they will steer you in the right direction.
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Old 08-01-2006, 11:57 AM
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I think it figures out to about 400 inches drop with a 168gr BTHP after sighting in for 250yds. I agree that will definitely be some very expensive and special optics pieces. 10mph will drift the bullet over 100 inches :O special equipment will be needed for this kind of shooting. Deedubu--you will be able to have some fun at 500yds for this price, but 1000yds is unreasonable. Good luck.
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I'm not looking to compete. I just want to hit a 3 foot by 3 foot piece of plywood at max 1000 yards. I already have a scope. There's a real nice valley out here that you can get a good 1000 yard shot off safely. I don't know enough about the long range ammo to make a good choice at this time. How does 30-06 do long range? I'll look at some Stevens/Savage 308's.
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I'm not looking to compete. I just want to hit a 3 foot by 3 foot piece of plywood at max 1000 yards. I already have a scope. There's a real nice valley out here that you can get a good 1000 yard shot off safely. I don't know enough about the long range ammo to make a good choice at this time. How does 30-06 do long range? I'll look at some Stevens/Savage 308's.


How big is the bullseye in 1000yd match....anyone know????

I would guess its about 3'x3'. So hitting your piece of plywood that is about the size of the batters box is a pretty lofty goal for a $400 set up.

The guys I know who shoot 800+ yards all have one thing in common: money.

Let me go through the list:

One dude has a 50 BMG that also has a 338 Lapua Barrel for same gun. He shoots deer at night for farmers on a gov't permit...its about a $30,000 rig.

Another shoots a 30-378 Weatherby. He is a great shot, but regularly whiffs shots on deer at 600 yards...not really what I call hunting, but to each his own.

The serious one, shoots a benchrest Nesika action gun that weighs 84 lbs and is chambered in 338-378 Weatherby.

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Old 08-04-2006, 06:11 PM
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I reckon it all depends on just what you want to do: i.e. shoot competition or just enjoy yourself. That said, to stick with the price range I'd try a Stevens in 30-06 or something if you want to go stock. Unless of course they chamber in .260 which would be quite a bit better I reckon. The X-Ring on the long range target is one minute if memory serves, so at 1000 10 inches or so, 20 for the 10 ring. Soooooooo a decent rifle will hit it, but I can't guess how consistently or how enjoyably.

Now if you'd step up a few bucks more you'd have better choices. Personally, I shoot a 6.5x55 in F-Class in a rifle built on a Remington action. It works very well at long range.

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Old 08-05-2006, 03:54 AM
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I'm looking for a long range rifle for some 1000 yard target shooting. Is there a decent model available from 200 to 400 dollars? I've been shooting a long time, mostly handguns though. All I have to use now is a Mosin Nagant. It has the range but I cant mount a scope efficiently to suit me.

While I don't shoot at 1000 yds. here because of room constraints I have been doing some looking and droolin' to see what it takes. In Rifleshooter magazine a guy took a Remington VLS in .308 and with just a few mods was able to shoot accurately at 1000 yds. Of course without a scope he had nearly a $1000 dollars invested but a 5 1/2 " group at this range ain't bad. Infact the guy was using .308 factory loads from Federal and Blackhills using 175 grain matchkings. He add a scope that basically doubled that 1000.00 price range and had a rig that was competitive. Of course you could just get a Stevens boltaction in .308 and add a inexpensive scope and you could still shoot it at 1000 yds. Then you'd still be in your price range; I just don't know if you could hit anything with it but dirt.


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Old 08-05-2006, 01:44 PM
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I've thought about replying to this post a few times - but everyone keeps saying what I would say. In addition to likely needing a custom rig to place each shot within an 8" circle at 1000 yd, you'll need custom ammo too; handloads. Some premium grade ammo may come close, but won't cut muster.

And I agree, the type of rig you'll need to hit even a square-yard target at 1000 yards (that's ~3/4 mile) will run you some cash, at least 5 if not 10 times what you quoted. You'll easily spend 400 bucks handloading the ammo. And you'll need a scope that will likely run you twice that amount as well.

On a non-existant but perfectly unwindy day, you'll likely need to have 1/2" groups or better at 100 yd to place 8" groups at 1000 yd. Then throw in wind, pressure, humidity, etc and all sorts of forces will be exerted on your projectile between your muzzle and the target. The .308 round seems to have quite a resistance to these forces and is THE classic 1000 yd match round. A match-grade .308 barrel, match-grade trigger, professional bedding job, premium 32x quality glass, a quality action, and precision-made ammunition is what you'll (or I) need for hitting a dinner plate 10 football fields away. That will all cost you at least 10 times what you've quoted. You might be able to pick up a Savage (what a name, no offense jb12string!) for $400, but everything else will not come so cheaply. You'll also need to completely master the human element of shot placement once you have the gear.

No-one here is discouraging you from getting into 1000 yd shooting, were just saying you're highly unlikely to do it without a more significant investment.

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Not meaning to step on the toes of the 30-06'ers, but the 308 Win cartridge may be a better choice as stated above. Other honed wildcats as well as the 300 Win Mag and on occasion the 243 Win. are choice rounds also. You will be looking at a very specially built rifle to get what you're desiring.

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Isn't the 6.5x284 taking over the 1000yd line? Just to clarify myself, I didn't mean to infer that a savage is a perfect solution, I just know the guys over at savage shooters eat, sleep and breath savages and some of them have pretty sweet setups, and they can tell you what you need to do to setup a 1000 yd savage.
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Isn't the 6.5x284 taking over the 1000yd line?

Yes it is, but for someone starting out, finidng brass and reloading, or even to buy the ammo off the shelf that is a 1000 yard gun, the .308 would be the best for that. Now if he got into benchrest, then go with the 6.5x284. That is even a great super long range varmint gun for the seriuos varminter.
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Here is the current world record holder for light gun 1000 yard bench rest shooting (light gun is a 17 pound gun) This was shot with the 6mm BR cartridge.

In 2003, Kyle Brown set a new world record for ten shots with a 4.2" group. And this was with the standard 6BR case, not a Dasher. The record was set at the Whitefish Range, near Kalispell, Montana. Kyle normally shoots at the Deep Creek Range, near Missoula, but Deep Creek was closed due to a fire near Missoula.
Here is Kyle's equipment list, and shoot report, as posted to Benchrest.com:

"Shilen Select Match, 1:8 Bbl
Lapua Brass, H4895 @ 29.0 gr (too hot in other rifles)
Federal 205 small primers
Redding FL 'S' bushing die and Competition seater with their Turret Press (awesome)
Hornady 105gr A-MAX
Nesika J action, right bolt/right port with Jewell trigger
Nightforce 12-42 (shot at 42x)
Lonewolf stock (shot off of a Bald Eagle "wishbone" rest)
Gunsmithed by John King of Kila, MT, (406) 755-5352 (very meticulous smith).

This gun has been a consistent single-digit-group 1000-yard rifle. I ...recommend one of these to people who want to enjoy shooting, follow through with each shot, ride the bags well, introduce new people to the sport, and those who want to have the most consistently accurate cartridge I have ever fired at any distance. Yes, it would go head to head with a 6PPC--however, I am not a 100-200 yd BR shooter.

Everyone who is serious about the most accurate possible cartridge should try one--they are unbelievable. To show my true feelings I have five 6BRs and all are phenomenal. Who cares how slow they are if they make up for it with the utmost in accuracy? I just wish I could have been centered, go figure? I want to say, many thanks to Bob Turner and Mark VanBeek for showing me that the 6BR is more than capable of 1000-yard shooting! I am glad to get to shoot around the great people our club has, a very friendly bunch.
P.S. Shoot the barrels dirty; they appear to be more accurate around 30-50 rounds fired." -- Kyle Brown
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Northwest 1000 Yard Benchrest Assn.
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I've thought about replying to this post a few times - but everyone keeps saying what I would say. In addition to likely needing a custom rig to place each shot within an 8" circle at 1000 yd, you'll need custom ammo too; handloads. Some premium grade ammo may come close, but won't cut muster.

And I agree, the type of rig you'll need to hit even a square-yard target at 1000 yards (that's ~3/4 mile) will run you some cash, at least 5 if not 10 times what you quoted. You'll easily spend 400 bucks handloading the ammo. And you'll need a scope that will likely run you twice that amount as well.

On a non-existant but perfectly unwindy day, you'll likely need to have 1/2" groups or better at 100 yd to place 8" groups at 1000 yd. Then throw in wind, pressure, humidity, etc and all sorts of forces will be exerted on your projectile between your muzzle and the target. The .308 round seems to have quite a resistance to these forces and is THE classic 1000 yd match round. A match-grade .308 barrel, match-grade trigger, professional bedding job, premium 32x quality glass, a quality action, and precision-made ammunition is what you'll (or I) need for hitting a dinner plate 10 football fields away. That will all cost you at least 10 times what you've quoted. You might be able to pick up a Savage (what a name, no offense jb12string!) for $400, but everything else will not come so cheaply. You'll also need to completely master the human element of shot placement once you have the gear.

No-one here is discouraging you from getting into 1000 yd shooting, were just saying you're highly unlikely to do it without a more significant investment.

Peace,
Amen to that!!! I have trouble shooting a decent group with my custom 10/22 on a consistant basis. It's not the rifle but the nut squeezin' the trigger that has the most effect!

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