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Old 08-27-2006, 07:43 PM
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7MM Rem Mag vs .300 Win Mag?


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For elk and mule deer which would you prefer and why?
I already own a .35 Whelen for the shorter ranges but want something with a little more reach (>250 yds).
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Old 08-27-2006, 08:11 PM
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Own a couple of 7 mags and like them. However, there's no moss growing on the .300 WM, either. Just whatever suits your fancy.
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Old 08-28-2006, 02:17 AM
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Going up to the 30 caliber gives a little bit more bullet selection, letting you pick heavier bullets. But both are very good for elk hunting. I myself have the 300 win mag.
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Either will do the job sufficiently,... it all comes down to just one thing. SHOT PLACEMENT!

It's amazing just how many times a person will read that question,.. doesn't matter the caliber in MOST cases just how accurate you are with it. If your using a magnum and you find yourself flinching or shutting your eyes in anticipation,.. use a weapon your more comfortable with. Don't be afraid to grab the .270 or 7-08 . An that trusty 30-06 has been used throughout history to take more game than you can shake a stick at.

Just my 2 cents.
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Old 08-28-2006, 04:12 AM
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I've killed several elk with a 7 mm Rem. mag and seen about the same killed with the 300 Win. mag. Either one will do the job nicely with well constructed bullets and proper bullet placement. Practice is the key. Reduced recoil loads in a magnum cartridge for practice is not the answer either.

Be prepared for a diiferent kind of recoil going to a "magnum" cartridge. The recoil of a 35 Whelen (got one in 700 BDL) is more of a big push while the recoil of a 300 or 7 mag is sharper has more "snap to it. A good recoil pad helps a bunch. A muzzle break helps, but I've been to close to guys in hunting situations to recomend one of those. You need to be in another part of the state if you're hunting with me, with a break on your gun.

Choose between the 2? I'd have to go with the 7 mm Mag. because that's what I've got. Better ballistics maybe. The 300 is going to be able to shoot heavier bullets at the same velocity up to a point wiht more recoil, (180's in the 300 v.s. 160's in the 7) but with a bigger payload of powder. I'm one to talk about saving powder, I've got a 300 RUM and it has a tremendous appetite for powder

Take your pick, because either one will do the job. If you can, shoot them both and see which one feels better.

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Old 08-28-2006, 04:46 AM
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Several family members take elk nearly every year in Wyoming with 7mm MAG rifles. My cousin, Riley, has an enviable long run of annual success. Nosler's 140 grain Partition is his bullet of choice and it is quite lethal indeed.

Remington recently introduced Managed Recoil ammo for many cartridges, including 7mm MAG. Recoil is reported to be BELOW level of 7mm-08. No kidding! This could prove to be ideal for practise and taking mulies in the forests and foothills where shots tend to be about 150 yards or so.
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Old 08-28-2006, 05:29 AM
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I agree with RJ, Both are good choices. Muzzle breaks make hunting with a partner not a pleasant experience, not noise is deafening. When I was shopping for a Mag I tried both. My choice was the 7mm Rem Mag, it felt better to me. I also am very impressed by it's flat shooting characteristics. Changing between 140gr and 175gr bullets does not change POI much at 200 yard ranges, which is what my scope is set up for. The 7mm gives me a 4" POI zone from 30 up to 250 yards (140gr) without changing any settings. With the Weaver scope it sports now, it is a deadly and reliable combo. JP
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On the choice of WHICH out of the 2 choices you have specified,.. I ALSO (hence my handle) prefer the 7 mm Magnum.

I also have the .300 UMag, but I really like my 7mm,.. if you want to "Reach out & TOUCH something"

I have all the confidence in the world with it,.. as well as enough killed game to verify that statement.

I personally like hunting with the Hornady 162 grain BTSP pills.
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Old 08-28-2006, 05:48 AM
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Kind of a moot point. Much like the 270 vos 06 argument. Both these fine cartridges were designed to do the same thing, add point blank range to the 270 and 06.

They do this well but also add some recoil. There are ways around the ricoil problems, carry a pound more rifle or have your barrel ported. Add a premium recoil pad.

Out here in the West an across the canyon shot often is a rule rather than the exception and that extra hundrud yards of worry free shooting does help. It's also nice that the added energy of these oversize cases help in anchoring a tough animal like elk.

There's also the fact that lots of folks just plain like the big boomers. The "one-up" game is not just played with cars alone.

I've got friends whom have killed elk with both the 300's and the 7mm mags for years on end. I've got to say I can't tell any difference.

Now when you go to the 8mm Rem mag or the 300 RUM or 338 RUM I can tell a difference. If you want really devistating performance consider one of those. Deer drop like they've been ran over by a two ton truck and elk, with a front shoulder shot, don't seem to wonder far.

Bottom line is rifles that shoot flat make hitting easier at longer ranges. Along with this comes the need to live with higher recoil forces. Some folks like these gas pedel to the floor guns, some shoot 6.5 by 55's and sneer at the magnum toting fellas.

Personally I've got rifles ranging from 20 caliber varmit rifles to the wonderful 8mm Rem mag and I like them all. Nothing better in the world than that 8 going off and an elk at 350 yards dropping in it's tracks. It's taken some great whitetail bucks and recoil, well I love it.

Range sessions with the right recoil pads and the lead sled let me concentrate on getting the same tiny groups offfered by milder calibers and once in the woods darn if I can remember what the recoil felt like.

There's lots of arguments for the use of any caliber you like to shoot. Magnum vs standard calibers, well isn't it wonderful there are choices and dollar to a donut if that buck or elk or pig that's dead could tell the difference.

I say shoot the cartridge you want to. Just keep in mind that higher recoiling guns require more time and effort to master than lighter recoiling guns. Sure gives you another reason to get out to the range though don't it.
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I know I DO,.. doesn't take much of an excuse for me!
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This kind of goes with some of the other discussions we have been having. Although not part of the two original choices I would go with the 8mm Mag or either the 300 or 338 RUM. I am seriously considering which of those I am going to get right now. If you are going to do it. Do it right! If though you are going to limit it to the two in your original post I would go with the 7mm. Mainly because if I am getting a 300 or 338 it is going to be the RUM because they clearly outperform the others in their group.
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Old 08-28-2006, 01:37 PM
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I'm with Bob. I don't think you can say one is better than the other because IMO, both would do as fine a job as just about anything else. Flip a coin and pick one.
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I don't buy into flipping a coin. Make your choice on how it feels, shoulders, and shoots for you, if you can shoot the rifle. It is a big choice, most folks can't afford to Take a lose ($)selling something they don't feel comfortable with, or have a rifle they won't use. Take your time and do some research, it will pay of in the end. JP

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Old 08-28-2006, 03:26 PM
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Similar velocities and similar bullet weights, advantage goes to 7mm in terms of ballistic coeffecient (less drop at extended range). Also +- 15 percent less recoil with 7mm with same weight rifles. I shoot 7mm.
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I don't buy into flipping a coin. Make your choice on how it feels, shoulders, and shoots for you, if you can shoot the rifle. It is a big choice, most folks can't afford to Take a lose ($)selling something they don't feel comfortable with, or have a rifle they won't use. Take your time and do some research, it will pay of in the end. JP

JP - The question was "For elk and mule deer which would you prefer and why?I already own a .35 Whelen for the shorter ranges but want something with a little more reach (>250 yds)."

If we were talking rifle models (Remington vs Ruger vs Savage, etc) I'd agree with you 100%. But we're not, we're talking calibers and going back to the question (calibers, not models), given those parameters, I seriously doubt 99% of hunters would find a whole lot of difference between the 7mm RM and 300 WM in the field other than slightly less recoil in the 7mm (similar to the 270 vs the '06). But since he owns a Whelen I doubt that's a concern. I think it's really more preference than any significant advantage of one over the other. Either one would do an outstanding job...hence, flip a coin meaning you can't go wrong with either.
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Old 08-28-2006, 04:44 PM
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I prefer the 7mm, but the 300 will be about as good for muleys.
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Bottom line is rifles that shoot flat make hitting easier at longer ranges. Along with this comes the need to live with higher recoil forces. Some folks like these gas pedel to the floor guns, some shoot 6.5 by 55's and sneer at the magnum toting fellas.

We don't sneer, we are just better shots. Besides I do own a .300 Win Mag, She's just been a Safe Queen for about 35 years. Also own 30-06's, 7 X 57's .280 Remmingtons, and various centerfire calibers down to .22 Hornet,
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Ummmmmmm you don't say! Well, there is a big difference in the 300 mag verses the 7mm mag and it starts at the bench or practice range. RECOIL is something that is going to effect the average hunt soon after the 3rd shot. You will notice the difference by the 2nd shot fired between the two calibers. This is why so many elk guides carry the 7mm mag in the first place. It is easy to shoot verses the 300 Win mag shooting max 180 or 200 grain loads. They can hit their mark accurately at long range.

I myself love the 300 win mag and carried one for 20 plus years of hunting various big game in North America. However, it took me a mighty long time to build to the point where I could handle the recoil of the 300 Win mag and still hit my mark out at 400 yards without a doubt in my mind. Several thousand round worth of ammo down range and excellent instruction by some of the best rifleman in the US Army back then.

Now if your an avide shooter, who goes to the range a lot and shoots his rifle a bunch with hunting loads, as well as can tolerate the pounding of the recoil, You may want to choose the 300 Win mag. Other than that, I would stay with the 7mm mag, especially if your a once a month shooter at the rifle range and don't bother to shoot during the summer much either.

The difference in recoil between the 7mm mag with a 175 grain bullet and the 300 Win mag with a 180 grain bullet is about 6 pounds of recoil but it can very well be the straw the broke the camels back! Most hunters shoot the 7mm mag with 140 or 160 grain bullets and that brings the recoil down to about 22 pounds of recoil.

Now wound channel wise the 300 Win mag wins out in my book. However penetration wise the 7mm mag gets the nod. Being able to hit your mark is the most important issue and I would barrow a rifle or too and mind out before you lay your hard earned dollars down on the counter.
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Old 08-28-2006, 07:22 PM
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Wow, lot's of good info!
As I said before I have the .35 Whelen. All my bolt guns are Rem 700's.
I live on the East Coast and "may" have the opportunity to hunt elk next year. The .35 Whelen is new to me but I have studied the ballistics enough to realize it's probably best suited at shots under 300 yds (preferably 250).
I have 4 boxes of Federal Premium 225gr Trophy Bonded Bear Claw ammo. I do not relaod yet.
I'm just trying to figure out which would be the better caliber for a 2nd rifle and the right caliber if I know my shots are going to be greater than 300yds. Even though I doubt I would attempt a shot much farther then 250 yds. I'd like to know the range is there if I need it.
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Grandpa on hunting.

When hunting, get close, then get closer, that way there is no need for a Magnum.

I still have his old 38-55 Black Powder Marlin. (Must work!)
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