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Old 10-17-2006, 08:08 PM
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.22 Hornet/.22 K-Hornet ?


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Just curious about the .22 Hornet, and its K-Hornet variation. Anyone familiar with these, and use one on a regular basis?


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Old 10-17-2006, 08:12 PM
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I don't know about the K version, but a buddy uses the hornet for small vermine type critters and it works well. It's a decent little round. I guess if 22 or 22 mag is not enough, and 222 is too much, then 22 hornet is just right!
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Old 10-17-2006, 08:17 PM
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I don't know about the K version, but a buddy uses the hornet for small vermine type critters and it works well. It's a decent little round. I guess if 22 or 22 mag is not enough, and 222 is too much, then 22 hornet is just right!
Just planning on getting a Handi rifle in 30-30, and figure the .22 Hornet just makes sense as a separate barrel option. I would have my small game, and big game rifle all on the same gun . And still cheaper than your 'average priced' hunting rifle .


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I shoot small game with my 30-30, I use hard cast small conicals and even 43gr(.308") round ball, loaded down to 22 rimfire velocity. You might not even need the second barrel, haha.

30-30 is a good round, just know it's capabilities and don't push it beyond and it won't let you down.
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Old 10-17-2006, 09:33 PM
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You can get approx 100 - 150 fps more velocity with the K-Hornet as compared to the standard Hornet. The fireformed case has almost no body taper and a sharp shoulder. Head spacing on the shoulder reduces the normal stretch of cases that headspace on the rim. Most K shooters will neck size only and get quite a few more reloads out of a given case.

The job isn't really difficult to convert the standard chamber to the K by a gunsmith.

Dies don't really cost all that much more and you get your money back with saved brass.

The K will extend your range by about 50 75 yds over the standard.
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Old 10-18-2006, 11:32 AM
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I own a .22 hornet, a ruger stainless and I love it. I have shot the k-hornet and even though the latter boosts velocity a bit, it's still not enough to move it out of the catagory it's in. I hate the fireforming process, expecially with a small, fragile .22 hornet case. If you have a chance to pick up a K-hornet for a good price, do it, if not, I wouldn' spent the time, effort and money to transform it. I did, however, pick up some K-hornet dies as to be able to neck size only my hornet. That's the only relationship I have to the K-hornet. If you want to soup up the Hornet, save your money and get a .204 ruger, or a .223.
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Old 10-18-2006, 03:59 PM
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I've had a couple of hornets over the years. Got to say if your looking for a low recoil flat shooter for varmits look closely at the 204 Ruger. I'm sure pleased with mine.

Much easier to load than the hornet, faster and flatter shooting than a 22-250 and low enough recoil that you can watch your hits thru the scope.
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I've owned both. I had a handi rifle in the standard hornet, and a contender carbine in the standard hornet, and a contender carbine in the k-hornet.
I prefer the k-hornet, by a long shot. It gets close to lower end 222 rem ballistics, and only uses 13gr of powder doing it.
It is quiet enough to shoot outside without ear protection, if you don't over do it.
It can be loaded down to below 22 lr velocities with no extra effort.
Fireforming is as simple as firing a standard cartridge in the rifle. Accuracy with fireforming loads is on par with your best loads, so you don't waste any bullets/powder.
K-hornet dies are slightly more expensive than regular ones, but it's definitely worth it.
Use 40gr bullets and Lil Gun powder... can't go wrong.
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Old 10-20-2006, 04:10 AM
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I've owned both. I had a handi rifle in the standard hornet, and a contender carbine in the standard hornet, and a contender carbine in the k-hornet.
I prefer the k-hornet, by a long shot. It gets close to lower end 222 rem ballistics, and only uses 13gr of powder doing it.
It is quiet enough to shoot outside without ear protection, if you don't over do it.
It can be loaded down to below 22 lr velocities with no extra effort.
Fireforming is as simple as firing a standard cartridge in the rifle. Accuracy with fireforming loads is on par with your best loads, so you don't waste any bullets/powder.
K-hornet dies are slightly more expensive than regular ones, but it's definitely worth it.
Use 40gr bullets and Lil Gun powder... can't go wrong.
I had a 22 Hornet for several years,and had it altered to the 'K'.I liked the rifle a lot more,after the alteration.The increase in power is quite a bit,considering the small size of the case.
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Old 10-20-2006, 10:02 PM
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I had a 22 Hornet for several years,and had it altered to the 'K'.I liked the rifle a lot more,after the alteration.The increase in power is quite a bit,considering the small size of the case.
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Now, another question

The rifle I'm wanting comes standard with iron sights.
http://www.hr1871.com/Firearms/Rifles/handiRifle.aspx
I'm more than happy with iron sights for the most part, but I'm curious if this round would warrant looking into a scope later on. I've never been comfortable with scopes, but ..... to be honest but it might be nice to reach out a 'tad' further at times. What do you folks think? I figure, get the gun and shoot it as is. If I'm not happy, try the scope later on.
Guess I've just been looking at too many rounds lately. The little .17's have gotten me interested, but with those I've not seen one rifle with iron sights. Seems they do their bestwork with glass. Perhaps I'm a 'little' old fashioned at times .....


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Now, another question

The rifle I'm wanting comes standard with iron sights.
http://www.hr1871.com/Firearms/Rifles/handiRifle.aspx
I'm more than happy with iron sights for the most part, but I'm curious if this round would warrant looking into a scope later on. I've never been comfortable with scopes, but ..... to be honest but it might be nice to reach out a 'tad' further at times. What do you folks think? I figure, get the gun and shoot it as is. If I'm not happy, try the scope later on.
Guess I've just been looking at too many rounds lately. The little .17's have gotten me interested, but with those I've not seen one rifle with iron sights. Seems they do their bestwork with glass. Perhaps I'm a 'little' old fashioned at times .....


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If you hunt without a scope,A22 rimfire will be all that you need.
Out beyond 100 yds,I believe a scope is necessary.My Hornet had a cheap 4X scope on it.After I had it 'K'd,I bought a Weaver V8 scope for it.
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If you hunt without a scope,A22 rimfire will be all that you need.
Out beyond 100 yds,I believe a scope is necessary.My Hornet had a cheap 4X scope on it.After I had it 'K'd,I bought a Weaver V8 scope for it.
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Understood.
Just meant with THIS rifle, it's got iron sights, and it will actually be usefull till I can get over my scope 'illiteracy' and figure out a scope to fit . The only scopes I am familiar with are the scout scope, which I love for the 30-30's, and the .22 scope which I personally found to be about useless for me. Been looking at the Mueller (s?) scopes lately, and a few others, so Hopefully I can figure something out . Any scope suggestions from you Hornet users????? Thanks,


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I have had several .22 Hornets and K-Hornets over the years. I currently have two standard Hornets and one K-Hornet. All of mine are now TC Barrels. I prefer the K-hornet hands down as it is a bit easier to load accurate ammo for. Either way I have found bottoming my primer pockets and deburring flash holes to be worthwhile with the Hornets. If you want to really see what your rifle is capable of the new plastic tip bullets from Nosler, Speer, Hornady and Sierra will give you the best accuracy. Hodgdon Lil Gun is the current best choice for my barrels and for several friends Ruger rifles.

Something you need to kep in mind about the K-Hornet. Curent Thompson Center Barrels and the reamers from at least one of the reamer rental places are NOT Killborn Hornet chambers. These modern K-Hornets are actualy KE-Hornet named for Dr. Ken Howell who designed the chamber for Kimber. The reason for this new chamber is to push the shoulder slightly forward to allow any previous K-Hornet cartridge to be fired safely in the chamber. Kimber was planning to make this a propietary cartridge.
If you run one of the fire formed KE Hornets into a Killborn full length or neck sizer you will set the shoulder back and your brass life will be short. This cinfused me for a little while about ten years ago!
You can see the difference in case dimensions from Ken Howells cartridge book. Most of the K-Hornet drawings I have seen on the internet are actually KE-Hornets.
Useing some of the older neck size dies - I use the Lyman 310 tool neck size die - the KE-Hornet only gets about an 1/8" of neck sized and I have never had to full length size a KE-Hornet if I am using the brass in the same chamber.
My Brother in-law has a Charles Daly Hornet he reamed to KE-Hornet using a rental reamer (we thought it would be a Kilbourn Hornet reamer) and our brass is not fully interchangeable in my TC KE-Hornet chamber, although the brass looks very close.
I wrote to Thompson Center about this but they did not reply. I asked Ken Howell about this on the 24 Hour Campfire and he confirmed he designed the case for Kimber.
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My Ruger M77/22 in .22 Hornet wears a Burris Compact 3x9 in gloss finish. Compliments the little rifle handsomely and provides all the power I need for the Hornet out to 200 yds.
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Old 10-21-2006, 10:29 AM
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So, how do I guarantee getting the 'K-Hornet' then? In loading dies? In the re-chamber?
Sounds a little more complicated than the forums are saying then .....


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Converted mine to k-hornet .Use it to hunt turkeys, drops them in there tracks, 9 grains H110 55 grain fmc through breast.Dime size hole both sides.The full metal case if it hits a tree or rock the lead squirts out the back of the jacket, no richocets.
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