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Old 02-08-2007, 02:09 PM
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im looking for a new deer/black bear rifle and cartridge and considering either 338 federal or 308 win. i looked up the ballistics on federals web page and there very close in performance. im sure the 338 is going to cost more and be more difficult to find ammo. is it worth the extra trouble.
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I'd go with the 338 fed. I like the idea of the larger, heavier bullet. Which rifles are now chambered in that round or are you having one made? Yes, ammo will be more expensive and not as easy to come by. But, it's a good excuse to start reloading.
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im looking for a new deer/black bear rifle and cartridge and considering either 338 federal or 308 win. i looked up the ballistics on federals web page and there very close in performance. im sure the 338 is going to cost more and be more difficult to find ammo. is it worth the extra trouble.
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Old 02-08-2007, 02:33 PM
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FYI, I saw my first Tikka T3 Lite in .338 Fed this weekend at a show. So, they're out there. Excellent rifle, usually to be found at a good price. I wouldn't want a Lite, but that's me.

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Old 02-08-2007, 03:03 PM
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Either choice is a good one for deer and black bear.

Personally, I'm working toward rebarreling a 308 Rem. 600 to 358 Win., but I also considerd the 338 Federal. Only 1 rifle out for the 338 Fed. so far and, as with the 358 Win., I expect there will never be much factory ammo around. To me both the 338 and 358 are really handloading propositions,which is fine, but I'll probably go with the 358 for my needs. I'll be hunting at woods ranges and I already have a couple of 35s to share components with.

If you will only have one rifle I think the 308 is probably what you want. Dozens of good factory loads and about as wide a range of handloading choices as there is.
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Old 02-08-2007, 03:59 PM
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If your rifle is going to be for deer and black bear, why not just get a 308? I could list many reasons for choosing the 308, one being that it will take Elk at medium distance.

The only reason to have a 338 Federal is that you then have a conversation piece. With the 358, you might have some advantage in the brush with heaver bullets at lower velocity, say for a 40-yard shot, with less meat destruction. I have used the 358 in a browning BLR for years as a 'more than 35 Remington' for brush hunting.

If you need a bigger gun, it is wiser to buy a 30-06 or 35 Whelen.
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Old 02-08-2007, 05:26 PM
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If you want to go the .35, look at a 9.3x57, or for some serious knockdown a 9.3x62. Either rifle can be had for under $400.00 w/ mounts. JP
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Old 02-08-2007, 06:04 PM
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I've looked at the 9.3 x 62 for a while. I missed a nice custom at a gun auction a year ago and am still kicking myself. CZ makes a great one. JP, maybe I misread your post but are you saying the 9.3 is a .35?
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Old 02-08-2007, 06:45 PM
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7mm08

i was looking at federals site and noticed that the 7mm08 produces pretty close numbers to the 308. would that be enuff for black bear? i hear alot of good things when it comes to white tail.
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Old 02-08-2007, 06:57 PM
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1st - Crunch the ballistic-numbers on both-cartridges...
...Then - look at the AVAILABILITY and COST of each cartridge...vs how much you'll need to PRACTICE and SHOOT each one.
- AND the availability and cost of rifles chambered in each one.

- Then match the above up with the mission of your rifle and your NEEDS vs your WANTS.

Once you look at the history and all the numbers related to each cartridge...I'm faithful you'll make the right decision.
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I've looked at the 9.3 x 62 for a while. I missed a nice custom at a gun auction a year ago and am still kicking myself. CZ makes a great one. JP, maybe I misread your post but are you saying the 9.3 is a .35?
No, Better!! Again, check out Allans armory, or Sarco. They both have nice 9.3x57 and 9.3x62 for under 400.00. All are Swedish builds. Some are under 300.00

A 9.3x57: http://europa.meccahosting.com/~a000...temId=141210SC 141210SC is the Item.

And another: http://europa.meccahosting.com/~a000...temId=140913SC

He is slim on 9.3x62 now, but send him an e-mail and he will hook you up!
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No, Better!! Again, check out Allans armory, or Sarco. They both have nice 9.3x57 and 9.3x62 for under 400.00. All are Swedish builds. Some are under 300.00

A 9.3x57: http://europa.meccahosting.com/~a000...temId=141210SC 141210SC is the Item.

And another: http://europa.meccahosting.com/~a000...temId=140913SC

He is slim on 9.3x62 now, but send him an e-mail and he will hook you up!
Gotcha..I'll have to check it out. I'm getting a decent tax return and a hole is burning in my pocket for a new gun.
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Old 02-08-2007, 09:56 PM
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Jumbo,

Here is my take on this. I have always had good luck with the 308, it is a very good round and you can buy good ammunition at discount stores for it, as well as some very good premium loads.

The 7mm-08 is also a good road and became very popular with metallic shooters. It will do about the same thing as the 308, has a little less recoil and has slightly better downrange energy with 140-150 grain bullets. The 308 does better with a heavy weight bullet and therefore is a little better on large game.

The 260 is just a little flatter shooting with 120 grain bullets, but a little slower with 140 grain pills.

The new 338 Federal is just that new and it may do well and should have a slight edge in power, as will the 358, but the 358 has stood the test of time, but it is not as easy to find.

All availability is not an issue if you hand load, even so, from what I see the smaller than 308 are the popular ones among hand loaders as they are east on recoil and fun to shoot.

I hope this helps you make a good choice.
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i was looking at federals site and noticed that the 7mm08 produces pretty close numbers to the 308. would that be enuff for black bear? i hear alot of good things when it comes to white tail.
7mm-08 is a very "mainstream" cartridge that would also be a good choice for your uses. If you don't handload I think it's a better choice than any of the 308 based cartridges (243, 260, 7-08, 308, 338 Fed., 358), other than the 308 itself.
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As far as rifles out there: I've seen listed, kimber montana, tikka t-3 and sakos. Just a fyi
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Old 02-09-2007, 05:41 PM
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I would go with the .338 just because I like it. I am going to buy one the very day Remington comes out with one in the 700 XCR. Ok, don't mention that to my wife. It is our secret.
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I would go with the .338 just because I like it. I am going to buy one the very day Remington comes out with one in the 700 XCR. Ok, don't mention that to my wife. It is our secret.
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As far as rifles out there: I've seen listed, kimber montana, tikka t-3 and sakos. Just a fyi
- I am EXTREMELY happy and satisfied with my Kimber[s]...
...Especially my recent purchase - the .243Win/Montana.

The money spent on the Kimbers vs. "Others" is not even an issue...I'm that happy.
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Old 02-09-2007, 08:43 PM
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338 Federal

I too considered the 338 Fed....Tikka now chambers it....I did my research...decided on the 358 Win instead....from what I read..the 338 bullets available were more designed for the 338 Win velocities...so I looked at the ole 358 Win...brass is easily formed from 308 brass (I used Lapua)..bullets from 180-250 grs...with a nice option of shooting 158 gr 357 handgun bullets...I have a full coffee can full of these...! Dies are available...I bought Redding...now a barrel....I ordered a 12 twist 5 groove Pac Nor...will screw it on a Savage 16 SS Accue trigger repeater...using Weaver Grand Slam bases & Burris Sig rings...scope ?? Looking at the 4200 2-10x40...
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Old 02-21-2007, 08:58 AM
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Personally I am a big fan of the .308. I have two of em and love em' to death. The ammo is readily available and a decent price too. It serves my purposes well and I feel confident shooting it and getting that follow up shot. It works with me, so I figure why fix it if ain't broke?
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Old 02-21-2007, 09:50 AM
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The 308win is a great cartridge, but the 358win will shoot to 300 yards with 200gr bullets and to say 250gr yards easy with 225gr bullets. So what will it do better then a 308win? Just hit harder with a bigger/heaver bullet for more penitration.
From 358win to 243win the 308 case based cartridges all work for the intended game. Just pick the one (or two) that best meets your requirements. I have a 358win and from deer to moose out to 250-300 yards it does it all and doesn't kick bad either.
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