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Old 03-13-2007, 02:08 PM
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Well I have my new spring project. Cleaning up a couple Small ring 96 action Swede's in 9.3x57. Both are in Very nice condition. One is a 1931 and the other is a 1943, both are Husqvarna rifles. Reloading should be interesting. The dies are the new Hornady ones, They claim I won't need a neck sizing die to go from 8x57 to 9.3x57. We will see. I have some 9.3 (.366) Speer 270 grain semi spitzer bullets on the way. A can of IMR3031 is in my future also. At 1900fps & 2200 ft pounds energy it should fold a deer in half. I wanted some Beartooth bullets, but none are available. They will make a nice 100 yard pair of rifles, great for the woods here. Any tips? JP


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Old 03-13-2007, 05:41 PM
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Congratulations, You have will not be dissappointed.

I too have one, the speer 270 over 47.5gn of RL15 yields 2088 in my rifle. It's a hoot to shoot and the one I grab when I want to be armed and about in the woods. Mine looks like the one in the top of your picture. About a 14"+ lop and very open round knob pistol grip. Thin in the comb and forearm, almost a splinter forearm, barrels of 24-24.5"

The Hornady dies are terriffic. the only thing I like is the "improvement" on their expander/decapper. (brain cramp) the "lightly threaded" decapping rod.....can't think of the catch name.

I've run the same load of powder with 250 grain barnes solids for a gain of 100 fps at 2180. The RL15 is probably the slowest powder you'll need. When I got mine, there wasn't much data about and it is still limited.

Norma has data on their web page and in their reloading manual. To my knowledge ( as I don't have their manual ) the loads were cited as having a chamber pressure of 46,000 cup. And will still run a 286gn bullet at 2080. Not bad for a cartridge of it size and age. Having always had a liking for a 358 Win, this is just the bigger brother to it.

It may not be fast but with iron sights, it'll handle anyting out to 250 yards. Then I ask myself, do I really need to shoot at game farther than that? I'll be a better hunter and get closer.

Maybe I should put it this way..... disregard all the first message, you won't like the gun, just pm me and I'd be glad to relieve you of the poor, slow, outdated, weak old gun........

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Old 03-13-2007, 06:50 PM
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Thank you Todd! I was going to load 225 grain but had thoughts of the jump to the lands. Please feel free to go on!! JP
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Old 03-13-2007, 07:31 PM
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Nice looking rifles, JP - I'm sure you'll enjoy them.

Cartridges of the World has several listings for the 9x57:

245 gr cast lead - 38.0 gr IMR3031 @ 1950 fps

250 gr SP - 44.0 gr IMR3031 @ 2260 fps

280 gr SP - 43.0 gr IMR3031 @ 2030 fps

280 gr SP - 46.0 gr IMR4064 @ 2045 fps
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Old 03-14-2007, 05:04 AM
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Nice looking rifles, JP - I'm sure you'll enjoy them.

Cartridges of the World has several listings for the 9x57:

245 gr cast lead - 38.0 gr IMR3031 @ 1950 fps

250 gr SP - 44.0 gr IMR3031 @ 2260 fps

280 gr SP - 43.0 gr IMR3031 @ 2030 fps

280 gr SP - 46.0 gr IMR4064 @ 2045 fps

Great! Thanks. IMR4064 is one I have.
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Old 03-14-2007, 09:29 AM
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That top rifle is a pretty thing. I tried to buy one much like it recently from Allan's, but it had just sold. Were you the lucky rascal that beat me to it?

Please, keep posting as you learn more about the rifle and round. They said that they expect more in stock, and I may get one yet.

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Old 03-14-2007, 09:34 AM
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That top rifle is a pretty thing. I tried to buy one much like it recently from Allan's, but it had just sold. Were you the lucky rascal that beat me to it?

Please, keep posting as you learn more about the rifle and round. They said that they expect more in stock, and I may get one yet.

Fireplug

Allan Just listed 4 more today. 1929 through 1934 I believe. The wood looks nicer than the top pic. I can't rave enough about Allan, he has sold me some real nice rifles. JP
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Old 03-14-2007, 10:21 AM
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The bottom one looks like it has the military stepped barrel that I like, so if you get tired of it, just send it on down to me by way of FEDEX.
I think the Germans had it right with the stepped barrel, as it seems to break up the harmonics.
They are both beautiful specimines, Sure hope you put them to good use.
I think kdub would even move one of his Rugers out of the safe for one of those.
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Old 03-14-2007, 10:22 AM
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Well..........................

Maybe a Remchester!
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Old 03-14-2007, 02:48 PM
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He has more, nice ones too! Looks like 7 new ones! http://www.allans-armory.com/aa.php
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Old 03-14-2007, 05:01 PM
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JP,

I've not used anything lighter than the Barnes other than some 245 grain solids I made. Same data though.

Jacketed bullets in 232 gn are available by Norma and with N201 N202 they are 2,340+ fps, ( from the Norma website) I've never been fond of the Nosler Balistic tip, as the ones I've used in the 338 Win are a bit fragile for my tastes. I do admit that they were some of the most accurate bullets I've shot. Nosler makes a 250 BT for the 9.3 and with the reduced velocity the 57 provides they should be picture perfect. I will be trying some of them in the future.
I never have shot any cast lead through mine. I thought of swaging down some 375 cast for it. I know that's not proper to take them that far but as an expirement I'd try as I have cast 375's already, but no .366-.368 die.

I purchaced Norma brass for mine which worked well. There is a company (name escapes me) that offer 9.3x57 reformed from 35 Whelen. They were a bit thick in the neck and needed turned. Of course the obvoius is to neck up 8x57 but I wanted some with the dedicated headstamp.

A good friend of mine also has a twin to my rifle, but his was chambered a bit deeper. So to see how much excess headspace I had in mine, I did this.

I removed the claw extractor and used a fully resized case. I lightly pressed a primer into the pocket and closed the bolt. This seats the primer without the extractor giving a false dimension.
The case is removed and the primer protrusion is measured. (I credit this procedure to John Linebaugh )Mine was only a couple thou, my friends required him to neck up the cases an resize with a bit of a false shoulder. No problem though, just run them over the 375 expander and back into the 9.3 die.

Two other powders that I will try is 4320 (which is a stand by for the old 416 Taylor and is close the 9.3 in case and bore capacity ratio) 4064 , already mentioned, and H4895.

Treasure it, However, If I ever find one with a 20" barrel and a full mannlicher stock. I promise post all kinds of pictures with big letters... NOT FOR SALE! He He

Thanks
Todd
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Old 03-14-2007, 05:07 PM
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I use IMR4320 for 8x57 and it is by far the best, Now I am getting really interested in what this cartridge can really do! Jim
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Old 03-14-2007, 06:20 PM
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JP,

I don't know why I keep saying all this good stuff, when I should be hoping to talk you out of it. Some people say I'm a nice guy...Oh well, there goes my reputation...on second thought... what reputation?

I notice you are from New Hampshire. I got through the eastern part of N.H. on the way to Maine 7-8 years ago. (paid the bills by driving truck and it took me there a few times) Ya'll have moose an bear up there, so let me know if you get the chance to swat one of them critters with the ol 9.3 next season. If you do I'm sure you'll be hooked. Personally, I hope to take mine to Wyoming next time I go, and perforate an elk with it.

I will probably add a peep sight to the rear bridge sometime in the future, as I shoot peeps better than straight irons. My front bead is a bit big for my liking, but would do fine as a fighting gun at close range. (think bear)

Does yours have the slotted receiver for stripper clips? As mine does. With five in the mag and a non-rattling full stripper clip of five more sure fits nicely in your pocket. A man so armed would be adequately prepared in the woods.....

Musings and food for thought.

Todd

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Old 04-11-2007, 11:00 AM
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Any updates on these classy old rifles?

I am very tempted, but have a few questions:

- They look svelte, what do these commercial small ring rifles weigh?

- Any ideas for a receiver sight that will fit?

- Are the stripper clip slots functional, and if so where are stripper clips available? A great way to carry spare ammo.

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Any updates on these classy old rifles?

I am very tempted, but have a few questions:

- They look svelte, what do these commercial small ring rifles weigh?

- Any ideas for a receiver sight that will fit?

- Are the stripper clip slots functional, and if so where are stripper clips available? A great way to carry spare ammo.

Fireplug

Well, so far they have had a good cleaning and a coat of BLO on the stocks. The rifleing is very strong, and they are in very good condition overall. Both Lyman and Williams make reciever peep sights for them. They both do have slots for stripper clips, Sarco carries them. They will use standard 8x57 strippers. I would say they are about 6 to 7 pounds, very light. Just waiting for the ground to dry out. Jim
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Old 04-11-2007, 08:04 PM
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I have an 9x57 Mauser 93 made by old Otto Bock himself. It's light and handles like a sportscar.

My bore is a bit pitted, but someday I'll use it with 250 grain Beartooths for deer.
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I wish Marshall had some! I inquired a few months ago, no response. I am going to use Speer 270 grain JSP bonded bullets. There is a huge difference between the '31 and '43. The '31 has 3 points that it is secured to the stock, the '43 has 2 as with most rifles. They look so similar on the surface, but it does end there.. I should be rolling ammo next week, I'll keep it updated!
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Old 04-23-2007, 06:25 PM
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JP,

Please do keep us informed on those beautiful rifles. I am a sucker for all the Mauser cartridges, and picked up an old set of Pacific dies for the 9.3x57 at a garage sale a while back, with the hope of finding a rifle to go with them.
Entered Alan's into my favorites on my PC so I know I will be looking forward to your next report!!

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I found a Husky M46 in 9.3x57 for myself. I like the feel of the rifle, and the simple but quality approach that Husky took with these old rifles.

I do not have dies, brass, or ammo yet. I will need to do something about the sights as well: tiny bead and notch.

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