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Old 04-04-2007, 07:31 PM
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Question 1950's BSA .30/06 value and story?


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A family member of mine has me temporarily storing a BSA .30/06 for him. His father bought it in the 1950's (he thinks) and definately used it on a safari in Africa in 1968. Anyway, could somebody please tell me an estimated value on this rifle as the closest I have come is a BSA .22 with the same exact shape for about $2200. Any other info on it would be appreciated as well. All the info I can give you follows:

- BSA .30/06, bolt action, black walnut stock with checkering on pistol grip area and hand rest in good condition.
- Top of barrell just forward of rear site post, "THE BIRMINGHAM SMALL ARMS Co. Ltd. - England"
- Right side of breach, "7Dxxxx" and below that "MADE IN ENGLAND"
- Forward of breach on left side, "18 TONS PER [] "", also a crown with "BNP" stamped below it and, ".30/06 .2494"
- It has a very aggressive flash suppressor cut into the end of the barrell with 8 slots on each side cut diagonally to the rear of the gun and a hole on each side cut forward behind the slots.
- Covered front site post.
- Optical 4X Redfield I" Tube scope mounted on a very nice "Griffin and Howe Inc., New York" site with is which is flawlessly flush mounted to the left of the bolt.

Note: Edited to remove serial number details. See warning in Trading Post forum sticky on why not to post complete serial numbers. . . Nick

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Old 04-04-2007, 07:42 PM
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A family member of mine has me temporarily storing a BSA .30/06 for him. His father bought it in the 1950's (he thinks) and definately used it on a safari in Africa in 1968. Anyway, could somebody please tell me an estimated value on this rifle as the closest I have come is a BSA .22 with the same exact shape for about $2200. Any other info on it would be appreciated as well. All the info I can give you follows:

- BSA .30/06, bolt action, black walnut stock with checkering on pistol grip area and hand rest in good condition.
- Top of barrell just forward of rear site post, "THE BIRMINGHAM SMALL ARMS Co. Ltd. - England"
- Right side of breach, "7D2837" and below that "MADE IN ENGLAND"
- Forward of breach on left side, "18 TONS PER [] "", also a crown with "BNP" stamped below it and, ".30/06 2494"
- It has a very aggressive flash suppressor cut into the end of the barrell with 8 slots on each side cut diagonally to the rear of the gun and a hole on each side cut forward behind the slots.
- Covered front site post.
- Optical 4X Redfield I" Tube scope mounted on a very nice "Griffin and Howe Inc., New York" site with is which is flawlessly flush mounted to the left of the bolt.
May have to post a picture to help us out.

Know before WWII, BSA would build rifles on various actions...not too sure about just after WWII..by then, they'd have most likely have been making their own actions or using a differnt base-gun.

Work was good on all that I've seen. Owned one that started life as a 1917, but was well modified and looked great (removed ears, filled the sight depression, straightened the magazine housing, new biolt handle, great blue job, fine piece of walnunt, checkered steel butt with trap, etc.)..lost my records, can't remeber the serial number sequence.


SO...would need a bit more...and really would need a picture or two to be more specific.
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Old 04-04-2007, 08:03 PM
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Frank de Haas shows several post war BSA rifles in his book, Bolt Action Rifles. The first ones had a modified Mauser action and the later ones were somewhat less Mauser like. Pictures would help. A full length one and one of the action out of the stock.

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I remember selling a couple of BSA rifles in 1953. They were very well built and used a Mauser style action but I don't remember if they made the action or not. They didn't come with Black Walnut stocks, slots in the barrel or G&H side mounts. If it has the G&H side lever mounts they are costly today. It sounds like the gun has been restocked and some custom metal work. So it doesn't have any collectors value for someone who collects such guns. If G&H did the modifications, that would add to the appeal. We can't judge the value with out seeing some pictures.

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Is it really light-weight and does the stock have a schnabbled foreend? If so, you probably have a Royal Featherweight or Majestic Featherweight. I have a 1959 Royal Featherweight in 30-06. I'm headed to the turkey woods today for a couple of days, but I'll post a pic of it when I get back. Frank De Haas' book references some great info on the BSA rifles. The integral muzzle brake is very loud . It is one of the prettiest rifles I own and a joy to carry in the woods. It does thump rather hard due to the weight and thin stock. Neat rifles, but few bring much money. They are not heavily sought after.

The part that doesn't relate is the side scope mount. The 50's BSA rifles had integral dovetail mounts on top of the receiver. The rear mount had a hole(depression) that accomodated a special Parker & Hale ring.
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Frank de Haas shows several post war BSA rifles in his book, Bolt Action Rifles. The first ones had a modified Mauser action and the later ones were somewhat less Mauser like. Pictures would help. A full length one and one of the action out of the stock.

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I'm new to this forum and am having trouble posting photos. Do I edit my original post and use the "instert image" button or to I attach them? I get an "error on page" message when I try to use the "insert image" button and I was told my file was too big when I tried to attach it. Any suggestions?

Oh yeh, thanks to whoever edited my post and took out the serial number I put in. I'll have to look up why that is bad.
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The picture size limit is 100Kb, no limit on dimensions. Best to read over the picture posting thread and holler if you've still got problems.

http://www.shootersforum.com/showthread.htm?t=34239

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Old 04-07-2007, 07:41 PM
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Herters sold BSA barreled actions and rifles for a while. They were darned nice rifles.
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Think they were the "J9", as opposed to the "U9" Mauser action, weren't they, Bob?

Bought a couple back when the '68 GCA kicked in and Herter's were dumping them as fast as they could unload them. Kept one in .222 Mag. and then traded it and a Jap 6.5 original in on pre-war M70 Super Grade .300 H&H, plus some boot.
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Think they were the "J9", as opposed to the "U9" Mauser action, weren't they, Bob?

Bought a couple back when the '68 GCA kicked in and Herter's were dumping them as fast as they could unload them. Kept one in .222 Mag. and then traded it and a Jap 6.5 original in on pre-war M70 Super Grade .300 H&H, plus some boot.
Boy you could be right, it's been a long time. I did seem to remember some barreled actions with that kinda funny looking bump on the back of the bolt that I thought were the BSA actions made in England, but again it was a long time ago.

What a great trade for the Super Grade. The fella I grew up with started out with a Model 70 in 300 H&H and then had it chambered for the 300 ICL Grizzly back in the early 60's (the 300 ICL is a cartridge very simular to the 300 Weatherby) He's still killing deer and elk with that rifle.
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As I recall, the Herter's J9 was the BSA made action, and the less expensive U9 was the Mauser....but it's been a long time..
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I noticed that someone is making a copy of the old Herters catalogs. When I was a teenager I loved reading thru them and dreaming about building a rifle on one of their beautiful stocks. They had so many exotic woods advertised with color pictures.

I always wanted one of their 401 powermag revolvers and was intrigued by the .264 wasp waist bullets for the 264 win mag and the claims about how it was the best in the world as was all the products they sold.

My understanding is when Herters died it returned in the form of Northern Hydraulics. Cabala's is still selling the famous Herters duck decoys.

I have a copy of one of Herters books, the bull cook recipe book. Even today it's wonderful reading in the style of their catalog advertising.
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More info on the BSA

I had a friend look at it yesturday and told him about what some of you have said. He noted that it was very likely set up very diliberately for the original owner. He noted the following:

- The stock has a raised area on the forward left side, that he says is specifically for scope shooters. I think he called it a "Montecarlo" stock.
- Frank Whiton asked about the side mounted site and said that is odd because it has the dove tailed mounts already on it. I looked, and you are correct, the dovetails are definately there. Frank suggested it may have been restocked, maybe that could explain the Montecarlo style stock? Frank, I'm not positive it is black walnut. It is a nice, dark, hard wood though.

Now some of the pieces seem to be coming together. The original owner was a wealthy, NY City dentist. He bought most of his gear from the outfitters called Abercrombie & Fitch, though I have no idea if they sold rifles. He was picky, and liked to shoot. I think he chose the BSA .30/06 because it is very light weight and carries very well. He wore glasses and likely preferred the optical sight but was probably concerned about it getting banged out of alignement while moving on foot. The G&H lever sight is perfect for that. You can easily remove the sight and put it back in seconds with it returning to exactly the original position. It wouldn't suprise me if he had it custom stocked to his personal needs. He was like that. The craftsmanship on the site is fantastic. Only with a very bright light in just the right position can you see the two ends of the two pins that hold the sight on. I can barely make out the pins on the exterior of the site and the intereior of the bolt carrier.

Sorry, I have not taken the time to figure out how to shrink the photos and post them yet. I want to though.
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Irfanview is a pretty easy photo editing program to use, you can get it at download.com
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Here are some pics of my '59 BSA Royal Featherweight '06.



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I do not want to burst you bubble here, but a BSA was a el cheapo gun of the 50's - 60's.

Average value of one in good shape is $250 or less.

The quality was not all that high and they were a import gun.

I think that someone got their wires crossed because my book does not show a Royal Featherweight,

It does however show a Majestic Delux Featherweight bolt action hunting rifle = and the value of it is $245 in good condition.

The only ones that were of any value was

the CTF target rifle which has a value of $595 - in excellent condition.

a Martini International ISU Match rifle - with a value of $675 - in excellent condition.

a Mark V match rifle - with a value of $685 - in excellent condition.

They also made a International MK III Match rifle - $665 - in mint condition.

All the rest of them are worth about $200 - $250 in excellent condition.
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I do not want to burst you bubble here, but a BSA was a el cheapo gun of the 50's - 60's.

Average value of one in good shape is $250 or less.

The quality was not all that high and they were a import gun.

I think that someone got their wires crossed because my book does not show a Royal Featherweight,
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BSA Royal Series

Notes: Also known as the Hunter, the Royal Sporting Rifle was one of the first of BSA’s first non-rimfire designs. Though it was produced for only 5 short years in the mid-to-late 1950s, it appeared in a plethora of models, firing different cartridges and with several different weights. The Royal Sporting Rifle had dovetails for a scope mount, a low Monte Carlo comb, and a raised cheekpiece on the stock.

There were three models of the Royal. Short-action models (.22 Hornet and .222 Remington) had the basic features of the Royal, including a low Monte Carlo stock with a raised cheekpiece, a checkered pistol grip wrist, and a checkered fore-end. The metalwork is of natural-finish steel with a 24-inch barrel. They were not drilled and tapped for a scope mount, but had a folding-leaf rear sight.

Medium-length action models (.243 Winchester, .257 Roberts, 7mm Mauser, .300 Savage, 7.62mm NATO) were introduced in 1956, and were ported to help fight recoil. The bolt was strengthened with the help of a guide rib. The medium-length action versions were drilled and tapped for a scope. The fore-end had a Schnabel tip instead of a plain round tip like the short-action model.

Long-action models (.270 Winchester, .30-06 Springfield, .458 Winchester Magnum) were virtually the same as the medium-length action models, except for changes in the chamber and barrel to help positively lock the bolt when firing. In fact, they were virtually identical to the medium-length actions, except that the barrel was counter-bored to take the entire bolt head. The .458 Magnum version, also known as the Royal Big Game, had additional strengthening of the bolt and receiver, as well as a recoil bolt through the stock.

The Royal Featherweight was a light variant of the Royal. This version included a lightened 22-inch barrel which was ported with Besa-style porting and counterbored. The left side of the receiver wall was reduced somewhat in thickness to further save weight. They came only in short and long-action versions, with restricted chamberings.

The Royal was replaced in production by the Majestic in late 1959, though assembly of the Royal continued until 1960 from remaining parts. The Majestic was virtually identical to the Royal, and remained in production until 1965 when it was replaced by the Monarch series. Changes include a small extractor and a plunger-type ejector, a chamber-loaded indicator, and a crisper trigger. The drilling and tapping was also supplemented with dovetail scope mounts. There were four basic models: the standard Viscount, the basic Majestic; the Imperial, the long-action model; the Featherweight, firing small and medium-caliber rounds, and ported to help reduce recoil; and the Regent, the short-action model.

The Monarch was essentially an improved and modified Majestic; changes included a switch-type safety on the right side of the receiver behind the bolt handle, a simplified trigger mechanism, and a more reliable feed for the magazine. As the somewhat artificial distinction between the medium and long-actions had been eliminated in the Majestic in 1961, the Monarch was sold only in long and short-action types. The dovetailed extra scope mounts were also removed on the Monarch. The Monarch was replaced by the CF-2 series in 1974.

The furniture of the Monarch remained basically the same as that of the Royal and Majestic. The barrel length was reduced to 22 inches (though it was a heavy barrel), and the leaf sights were adjusted accordingly. Barrel porting was also eliminated. Most chamberings remained the same, though some were eliminated and others added. A variant of the Monarch, the Monarch Varmint, was built starting in 1967; this model used a 24-inch heavy barrel, had no iron sights, and was chambered only for two cartridges.


Frank De Haas' book contains 5 pages on the Royal action alone.

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It does however show a Majestic Delux Featherweight bolt action hunting rifle = and the value of it is $245 in good condition.


Here is a link to one for over $1600
http://www.gunsamerica.com/classifie...976864846.aspx
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Here are some pics of my '59 BSA Royal Featherweight '06.



Duckbill, that is it! Great, there is another one out there. Thanks for posting the pics. I see from your photos that I need to give some TLC to the stock on the one I'm holding. What do you use to maintain the finish on your stocks?
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Duckbill, that is it! Great, there is another one out there. Thanks for posting the pics. I see from your photos that I need to give some TLC to the stock on the one I'm holding. What do you use to maintain the finish on your stocks?

I actually just refinished it. The original finish was a touch darker and had a polyurethane type finish that had begun peeling. I used tung oil on it.

I hope you enjoy your rifle. They are very loud with that muzzle break, but nice to carry in the woods. If you have any questions about it, feel free to PM me with them.

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[QUOTE=The Rifleman]I do not want to burst you bubble here, but a BSA was a el cheapo gun of the 50's - 60's.

Average value of one in good shape is $250 or less.

Dear Rifleman,

I'll admit, that is a real bummer. I see I have a lot to learn about the value of rifles. Holding it, it seems like a really fine rifle and would be worth much, much more then that. Oh well. I'll enjoy shooting it anyway.
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