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The .338 Winchester magnum is a marvalous caliber! I have taken a lot of various different species of animals with a couple of my .338 caliber rifles over the years and one thing that I learned right away, was that an animal like a bull elk, really shows you he has been hit when that 225 or 250 grain bullet connect with his hide.

It is more than enough power for any bull bison! Now I would not be affraid to tangle with "Aussie Water Buff" either using 275 grain Swift A Frames or 300 grain Woodleighs in my .338 Winchester magnum model 70 Wnchester rifle. Now Cape Buffalo......No Thank You Sir!!! I want my .458-Lott or .470-Capstick, with that PH backing up my backside just in case something went South of the boarder.

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The .338 Winchester magnum is a marvalous caliber! I have taken a lot of various different species of animals with a couple of my .338 caliber rifles over the years and one thing that I learned right away, was that an animal like a bull elk, really shows you he has been hit when that 225 or 250 grain bullet connect with his hide.

It is more than enough power for any bull bison! Now I would not be affraid to tangle with "Aussie Water Buff" either using 275 grani Swift A Frames or 300 grain Woodlieghs. Now Cape Buffalo......No Thank You Sir!!! I want my .458-Lott or .470-Capstick.

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Old 04-30-2010, 05:23 PM
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If it bleeds the .338 can kill it, using the proper bullets.
If you are going to Africa for Dangerous game then it
is not legal in most places. They usually require a .375
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Lol im surprised people doubted the .338s killing ability on water buffalo, with 250 grain partition or 270 grain a frame or 300 gr woodleigh, i would feel very comfortable. Honestly if it was legal i would not have any fear hunting cape buffalo in africa with a .338 WM.
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The .338 Winchester magnum is a marvalous caliber! I have taken a lot of various different species of animals with a couple of my .338 caliber rifles over the years and one thing that I learned right away, was that an animal like a bull elk, really shows you he has been hit when that 225 or 250 grain bullet connect with his hide.

It is more than enough power for any bull bison! Now I would not be affraid to tangle with "Aussie Water Buff" either using 275 grani Swift A Frames or 300 grain Woodlieghs. Now Cape Buffalo......No Thank You Sir!!! I want my .458-Lott or .470-Capstick.


Aussie Buffalo and Moose are bigger than Cape Buffalo. No disrect to the toughness of a Cape Buffalo, but they are not "Armor Plated" and have been killed by leesr rifles with out problems. My friend took his with a 9.3X74R hes used a 320 grain Woodliegh at at less than 2300 FPS and it worked perfectly. I have friends that have taken them with handguns. Ross Seyfried took one with a 45 Colt

I have another friend (deceased) that took one with 1 shot from a 300 Win
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Aussie Buffalo and Moose are bigger than Cape Buffalo. No disrect to the toughness of a Cape Buffalo, but they are not "Armor Plated" and have been killed by leesr rifles with out problems. My friend took his with a 9.3X74R hes used a 320 grain Woodliegh at at less than 2300 FPS and it worked perfectly. I have friends that have taken them with handguns. Ross Seyfried took one with a 45 Colt

I have another friend (deceased) that took one with 1 shot from a 300 Win
Lol, didnt roys wife kill a cape buffalo with a .257 wby?
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Lol, didnt roys wife kill a cape buffalo with a .257 wby?

Roy killed one with it, just to see if he could.
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Well Bison and Aussie Water Buffalo are big like a moose but they are NOT hard to put down and there is "no comparison" to Cape Buffalo verses the other 3 species mentioned. If you believe that, then you need to go hunt Cape Buffalo.

I would hunt Bison or Aussie Buffalo with a 30/06 and 220 grain Winchester Silver Tips! However, you will not catch me going after a cape buffalo with any thing less than a .416 mag and if I have my choice, it's going to be that .458-Lott or my .470-Capstick. No need to give odds to something that would rather stomp me into the ground for keeps. There is no question I am an Elmer Keith FAN BIG TIME!!! Yep, big calibers and heavy bullets always pardner you betcha.
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TANG...I got to look that one up, I know that he got his half moon scar over his eye, when trying to knock down a bull elk with the .257 Wby.
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TANG...I got to look that one up, I know that he got his half moon scar over his eye, when trying to knock down a bull elk with the .257 Wby.

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Through the years Roy used the speedy cartridge quite successfully on game as large as moose and elk, and even the mighty Cape buffalo fell with one shot during one of Roy's many trips to Africa. Declaring war on something as big and potentially nasty as a Cape buffalo with a 100-grain bullet was not something he recommended to others, and Roy did it just once to prove to himself that it could be done.

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http://www.shootingtimes.com/ammunit...magnum_031706/
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It still makes me laugh when i hear people saying how much gun they want while hunting cape buffalo. The cape buffalos reputation is inflated. I would have no fear hunting cape buffalo with a 300 WM with a 200 grain tsx, a .338 would just be that much more comforting.

I would opt for somethin 4 and up if facing rhino or elaphant, OR if i were tracking wounded DG into brush. Although i must admit buffalo of any sort offer a GREAT excuse to pick up a big bore.
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I dunno Bark. On one episode of Federals Dangerous Game, I watched them put I believe it was 5 rounds (good shots), into a Cape Buff from a .375 H&H. I'm sure you could kill them with a .22-250, but after knowing/seeing how mean they can get when wounded ? No thanks ! I will take a .458 Lott or .460 Wby
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I dunno Bark. On one episode of Federals Dangerous Game, I watched them put I believe it was 5 rounds (good shots), into a Cape Buff from a .375 H&H. I'm sure you could kill them with a .22-250, but after knowing/seeing how mean they can get when wounded ? No thanks ! I will take a .458 Lott or .460 Wby
Ive watched elk take that punishment as well. I guess a cape buffalo just doesnt send shivers up my spine. It is an herbivore after all.
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I would call the Cape Buffalo a "stompivore" based on the occasional tendency for them to stomp an unfortunate individual to death
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I would call the Cape Buffalo a "stompivore" based on the occasional tendency for them to stomp an unfortunate individual to death
They only kill about 200 or so people a year And a lot of people do believe it to be the most dangerous of the five. Good thing theres laws protecting idiots like myself lol.

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Soon after the WSM came out Wayne Van Zowoll wrote an article about Water Buffalo hunting in Australia using the 270 & 7mm WSMs with Winchester Fail Safe bullets. According to the article the cartridges and ammunition were very successful.
Van Zwoll also very recently took a 338 win to Autralia and took two water buffaloe , despite his guide's doubts . One shot per customer with Barnes bullets if I remember correctly.
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Water Buffalo

I wouln't mess around i would get a 416 Rigby Or Ruger with hornady's african Loads very tough animal if you shoot a 308 now a good recoil pad on either of those 416s will more than likely big the kick down to a 338 you will be fine but 375 is the minimum cal for that type of game
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It is very true that Cape Buffalo are not "armor plated" but they are the only dangerous game species on the face of this earth that has over lapping ribs for starters. If you hit them right with the first shot, generally speaking the show is just about over and the curtain will fall accordingly. However, if that first shot is not spot on, or the bullet decides to do other than planned, your in for a heck of an adrenaline rush.

I have a lawyer friend of mine who in fact shot a 46 inch Cape Buffalo (using a .416 Rigby) but the first shot did not do anything but tick him off and it took his PH and him on a merry chase through the jess. This bull ended up being shot 6 times total before it gave up the ghost. My self, I would never hunt dangerous game with a pistol period! Cape Buffalo are far from being something you can take for granted no matter how many times you have hunted them or how many you have killed. Those who hunt such an animal, generally use a bigger gun than the .375H&H. A lot of women use the .375H&H for Buff in Africa.

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I say the .460 Roy is the min for capes
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TANG.......great minds think alike!!! One of the reason I took on the project of my .475 caliber was that I had seen and read actually accounts of Cape Buff doing a Mexican hat dance on hunters who had experience but things just did not go their way that day and the Buff came out on top. The odds are better if you can handle the bigger caliber and place that first shot spot on target. I am in the process now of turning this .470 - Capstick into a .470-Mobogo, simply more power up front.
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