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Old 06-10-2008, 08:00 PM
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Browning A bolt or Remington 700 SPS?


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I'm considering buying a new bolt action rifle in 308win. Both the Browning A bolt and the Remington 700 SPS (Stainless) are in my price range. Which rifle would you guys recommend? I'd would probably consider the Remington over the Browning but I've heard a lot of negative things about new Remingtons so I am bit cautious.
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Old 06-10-2008, 08:09 PM
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Some guys are getting good Remingtons and some are seeming to have problems with them. I'm a Remington fan, but haven't bought a new one since they changed the trigger so can't say much about the new ones, except what I read on here and other forums.

Have to say that if I were buying a new deer rifle today it would be the CZ 550 over anything else I've looked at in the mid priced range. I've no experience with the Browning's, but I'll bet some of our members chime in here. Lots of Browning fans here on the board.
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Old 06-10-2008, 08:49 PM
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I have a sps 22-250 it has good days and bad months. the stock is very heat sensitive. i will never buy a remington again!

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Old 06-11-2008, 03:24 AM
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I have a SPS stainless in .30-06 and it is a decent rifle. When I say decent I mean it isn't bad but it isn't great. It is a decent hunting rifle if that is why you are buying it. The stock on the Remington is awful and is the worst I have seen of all the synthetics. I would also use Bob's recommended procedure of using some J-B on the bore for about 100 strokes. The rifle does get more accurate with each box of ammo. It shoots extremely well with the 150 gr rounds and is starting to come around with the 180s. I am fine with the accuracy I am getting now. The action and the trigger on the Remington are very good. I am ok with my Remington SPS but my next rifle is going to be a Browning just because I want one. I also believe that right now Browning's out-of-the box quality is better than Remington.
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Old 06-11-2008, 03:36 AM
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I'm a long time Remington fan but have lost some of my enthusiam lately. I've owned both, guess if it was my money I'd probably spend it on the Browning. Really love my stainless stalker.
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Old 06-11-2008, 11:20 AM
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I happen to own a Browning A-Bolt "Hunter" in .308 caliber. I have found this rifle very accurate and is light weight, much more than the Remington M-700. Also like the magazine set-up as you can remove it from the rifle like a clip, plus carry a spare magazine with you while hunting. I have a 3 to 9 power Leupold scope mounted on my Browning and would highly recomend both.
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Old 06-11-2008, 11:44 AM
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Between the two, I'd probably buy the Remington, but to toss a third option in there, it might not be glamorous, but I'd also strongly consider a Howa 1500 based on the reviews I have read.
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Old 06-11-2008, 06:33 PM
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I have both a Browning A-bolt Stainless Stalker in 338 WM (from 16 or so years ago), and a Remington SPS blued (black) in 243 Win (from this year). So here's my take on the two:

The Browning has a recoil pad that I'm almost certain was fashioned from granite and painted black. Maybe they've improved them since? I don't know. The Rem has a limbsaver - a very good recoil pad.

The Browning is one of the most accurate rifles I own. So is the Rem.

The stocks on both are....plastic and cheap...and very functional. If I had to give a nod to one here, I'd say the Browning is a bit less slick and a bit less cheap-feeling compared to the Rem.

The Browning, when on safe, locks the bolt, you can't open it on while on safe. With the Rem, you can open the bolt on safe. I never really liked that feature of being able to open the bolt on safe (getting it opened by brush, etc), I guess only because I'm used to the 3-position mod 70 safety. Your preferences may differ.

Both actions are slick, although the Rem is slicker. If a 60-degree bolt throw on the 3-lug A-bolt vs a 90-degree bolt throw on the 2-lug Rem makes a difference for you, there's a factor to consider. It hasn't been a factor for me.

I kept both factory triggers. Never adjusted the Browning, and it's fine around 3 pounds. I adjusted the Rem down to around 3 pounds. A friend who has the same Rem (which is also very accurate) replaced his trigger with a Timney.

I haven't heard of a solid complaint personally (excepting internet chatter) about either rifle.

I'll say this: I have heard that various gunsmiths can effectively accurize Kimber blued rifles, but hesitate to take on accurizing the same Kimber model stainless rifles. I don't really know if that's a materials issue, or a manufacturer-specific production issue. SS is more difficult to machine than chrome-moly, and I can envision manufacuturer's trying to eke out more rifles on dull tools with SS than CM, and thus getting poorer quality with SS.

Tough choices....I'd suggest you get both and report back to us!
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Just to go along with what Shawn mentioned about safetys, the A-bolt locks the bolt, trigger and firing pin when it on. I also like the tang safety, the cocked indicator that can be easily seen and felt, and the Mauser style bolt release. The extractor is a heavy duty machined piece which grips 1/4 of the case head. It's recessed in the bolt, so the material in the bolt adds strength to the already beefy part. I believe the A-bolt is a well engineered rifle.
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Old 06-12-2008, 07:23 AM
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it's a toss up. i own 2 remingtons that i really like but they are blued with walnut stocks. in the mid 90's i had an a bolt medallion in 25/06, i only had 2 complaints about that rifle the first was the 22'' bbl (browning now uses a 24'' on the 25/06) and the fact that it was so darn accurate that load developement was about non existant. in other words it just wasn't any fun (challenge) at the loading bench.
i would buy whatever rifle suits you, i think that they are both well made.
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Old 06-12-2008, 09:00 AM
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I just took posession of a Rem. 700 SPS Tactical in .223. It has been rainy here, so I haven't had a chance to get it out to the range yet. This is my first Rem. I sure do like the looks and balance of the gun though. It has a 20" heavy bull barrel on it. It was down to either this SPS or the 700 VTR with the triangular barrel, but some reviews weren't real shining to the VTR. Outdoor Life did have tons good to say about it though. This SPS should be a great truck/packing gun for vermins being so short and light.

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Simple choice for me, I shot next to A Bolts with my Rem action bench guns for 13.5 years. A Bolts are nice, shoot well. The rem shoots as well if not better. Bottom line. Made in the USA.
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Browning vs Rem

Over the years I have sold/swapped or traded many guns. Through all this though, there are 3 guns I have always held onto. My A Bolt Micro Medallion .243, my A bolt .308 Medallion, and my Howa 1500 in .308. The Brownings I love because they are beautiful guns that shoot extremely well. I do resist taking them into the woods simply because I don't want to mess up the wood and finish. Thats where the Howa 1500 comes into play. Very nice synthetic stock on a very economical gun that easily shoots as well as the Brownings. In my opinion, A bolts have the smoothest factory action available, the added safety feature, and excellent accuracy, but are pricey when compared to a Savage, or Howa that shoots just as well. Do you want "show, or go"?
Rem 700's are nice guns, but have just never earned a place in my heart like the Brownings seem to.-Just my thoughts
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Old 07-08-2008, 08:16 AM
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Hi, I have owned both last Browning I owned was a Medilion in the 375 H & H but on my shoulder it did not shoot like a Remington. I sold the Browning bought the Remington CDL had a Remington Clip installed and with the 24" barrel it is everything I want. I did buy back my custom 35 whelen with the 24" Douglas barrel and savage action this was for sentimental reasons also it shoots like a darn.
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Old 07-08-2008, 09:10 AM
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I just bought a Remington 700 in a .270. I really like it and it was cheaper then a browning. Also i handled a Remington 700 sps 7mm mag with a Nikon Buckmasters scope on it which seemed to be a very nice set up. I also think that brownings are very nice to. The best thing I think you can do is go to a store and handle both, see which one you like better and go with it. Thats what I did.
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Old 07-08-2008, 11:04 AM
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I'm considering buying a new bolt action rifle in 308win. Both the Browning A bolt and the Remington 700 SPS (Stainless) are in my price range. Which rifle would you guys recommend? I'd would probably consider the Remington over the Browning but I've heard a lot of negative things about new Remingtons so I am bit cautious.
Eric, I would get neither the Browning Stalker nor the Remington SPS. I’ve had both several times thru the years and I have never gotten one to shoot as good as I would like. I never had a problem getting the wood stocked Brownings or Remingtons to shoot well. I just never could figure out what to do to the synthetic stocked ones.<O:p</O:p
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I’ve also had a half a dozen Savage 110 and Weather Warriors. I purchased these rifles from the original owners for $75 to $150 because they would not shoot. At one time Savage could not properly float a rifle barrel. Once their barrels were properly floated they were keepers.<O:p</O:p
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I currently have 4 Rugers, 2 No.1’s and 2 synthetic stocked MkII M77’s. All of these rifles shot 1¼” groups with factory ammo right out of the box. With a little trigger work and some load development these rifles now shot MOA or better.<O:p</O:p
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So if I was in the market another synthetic stocked rifle I would look at a Ruger or a Savage.
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Old 10-01-2008, 06:26 PM
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I have a browning a bolt in .270 win and i love it. Very accurate not much kick had my littly 12 year old brother shootin 1 inch groups on his first time shootingit. Like it was said before about the bolt not being able to open when the safety is on is key factor for me because i walk through alot of brush. Have fun and good luck with the new rifle.
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