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Old 07-21-2008, 08:47 AM
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Just curiosity: what exactly does it take to make a shot over 1000 yards?

Has anyone done it?
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Hey Mr. Joe, welcome to the forum. There are several things required to make a shot at that distance. Just to name a few: A very accurate gun (built for the shooter), a very accurate round (most likely handloaded) with a high ballistic coefficient and a suitable long range scope with a large amount of zoom capability. It also takes lots and lots of time, money, patience and shooter skill.
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The sniper platoon of 7th Marine Regiment in Vietnam manned a tower at Regimental HQ. They had a .50 BMG (the type usually mounted on tanks, etc.) converted to single-shot with some sort of target scope bolted to the top of it. No one would call it elegant looking.

One of the snipers recorded a verified kill at over 1000 yards across the river in the free-fire zone using that rig.

Other than warfare and formal target competition I have trouble conceiving a shot at that distance. A long range shot for me is anything approaching 200 - 250 yards.
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The History Channel just had an Extreme marksman program. An army Sniper team was using, as they said, a .30 caliber Magnum. Bullet drop at 1000 yards was something like 37.5 inches. 7 shots, 2 to zero the rifle, 5 in rapid succession, all hits. Both have been in for 15 years. 400 yards suits me just fine. Jim
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Old 07-21-2008, 10:08 AM
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It just depends how big your target is, frankly. There are shooters with iron-sighted guns from over a century ago, slinging lead at long range targets.

Long range shooting is one discipline where skill of the shooter can make a lot more of a difference than equipment to be frank.

If you are interested, doing an internet search on topics like "1,000 yard shooting" and "long range target shooting" should bring up useful information.
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Aside from the basics, the most significant skill in shooting long range is learning to call the wind. At those distances, a bad call can put you several feet off your target. Relatively speaking, the effects of gravity (bullet drop) are quite predictable.
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The History Channel just had an Extreme marksman program. An army Sniper team was using, as they said, a .30 caliber Magnum. Bullet drop at 1000 yards was something like 37.5 inches. 7 shots, 2 to zero the rifle, 5 in rapid succession, all hits. Both have been in for 15 years. 400 yards suits me just fine. Jim


Yes! thats what made me curious about it! i musta missed the specs though. So .30 caliber Mag can carry enough stopping power at that distance? I guess so. Thats a dam long way.
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Hey Mr. Joe, welcome to the forum. There are several things required to make a shot at that distance. Just to name a few: A very accurate gun (built for the shooter), a very accurate round (most likely handloaded) with a high ballistic coefficient and a suitable long range scope with a large amount of zoom capability. It also takes lots and lots of time, money, patience and shooter skill.
Specifically what rifle would be the most accurate and what caliber? Besides a .50.
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One thing to keep in mind Joe is shooting at long range targets where you know the exact yardage and have some idea about wind speeds from wind flags is entirely different than shooting at game where even with the help of a rangefinder winds may be flowing two different directions between you and your target.

Magnum rifles are capable of killing game to a thousand yards, but many more animals are wounded at long ranges than at shorter ones. I'd encourage you to shoot targets as far as you like, but to be fair to big game keep ranges reasonable.

7mm mags, 30, 32 and .338 caliber mags are used by many long range hunters. I've friends whom have killed big game at 600 yards with the 300 Ultra-mag and the 7mm STW cartridges. Many states fish and game departments have made hunting big game with the 50 caliber machine gun cartridge illegal so check your state regulations carefully before taking one of those beasts hunting. Idaho for instance has a hunting weapon weight restriction that keeps those types of guns out of the fields.

If your just punching holes in targets even the 308 will work to 1000 yards.
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The History Channel just had an Extreme marksman program. An army Sniper team was using, as they said, a .30 caliber Magnum. Bullet drop at 1000 yards was something like 37.5 inches. 7 shots, 2 to zero the rifle, 5 in rapid succession, all hits. Both have been in for 15 years. 400 yards suits me just fine. Jim

First of 37.5" off drop is about corrct for 500 yards not 1K.

Second if the shooter knew his velocity and bullets bc, barometric pressure, etc.then he should not have needed 2 shots to get on target. A quality ballistic targeting computer based soft ware will put you on target with the first shot. A 300 Ultra Mag at 3326 FPS at sea level will drop 229.1 inches below the line of sight at 1K shooting the 175 grain SMK with a BC of .507

I am dialing in a new 338 Laupa shooting 300 grain SMKs that I am going to use to take an Elk in October at up to or maybe beyound 1K and I shot this pair at 975 yards a few days ago



I shot this one at 738 yards

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Hey i got one more question for ya.... I was lookin at the new Remington model 700 XCR, in 300 Remington Ultra Mag.... what would you think the range limits of that rifle are? Assuming there is enough scope. Is that the best choice for this gun?
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Maybe it was 37.5 MOA? That would equate to over 375 inches. I only shoot a 308 at long range (out to 600 yards) but I know it drops 64 at 500 and 421 at 1000 with the 168BTHP. I can't speak on the subject of the 30mag though. The drops are pretty easy to learn and remember. Learning to read and adjust for the wind is what a lot of folks have a harder time with.
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My 300 Win mag with a 180 TSX and a muzale velocity od 3010 FPS at Sea Level requires 24.75 MOA at 1K


MR Joe, whether or not the 700 XCR is an adequate for Loooong range dependes on the rifles accuracy. 1/2 MOA or under is my requirement and that is for 3 shot groups, since I am a hunter and if I can't get it done in prefferably one shot and certainly with in 3 then I don't need to be doing it IMHO
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[QUOTE=jwp475;357770]First of 37.5" off drop is about corrct for 500 yards not 1K.

Second if the shooter knew his velocity and bullets bc, barometric pressure, etc.then he should not have needed 2 shots to get on target. A quality ballistic targeting computer based soft ware will put you on target with the first shot. A 300 Ultra Mag at 3326 FPS at sea level will drop 229.1 inches below the line of sight at 1K shooting the 175 grain SMK with a BC of .507

Not my info, never stated it was fact, I never said 2 rounds to get on target, they all were on target, not until the 2nd shot were they on center mass/zero. Watch the show. They also were not using any computer, just a rangefinder and flags. Jim
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A modicum of skill, a truck load of dedication and the ability and time to shoot a minimum of 500 rounds a week to maintain the skills learned by shooting 1500 rounds a week.
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First of 37.5" off drop is about corrct for 500 yards not 1K.

Second if the shooter knew his velocity and bullets bc, barometric pressure, etc.then he should not have needed 2 shots to get on target. A quality ballistic targeting computer based soft ware will put you on target with the first shot. A 300 Ultra Mag at 3326 FPS at sea level will drop 229.1 inches below the line of sight at 1K shooting the 175 grain SMK with a BC of .507

Not my info, never stated it was fact, I never said 2 rounds to get on target, they all were on target, not until the 2nd shot were they on center mass/zero. Watch the show. They also were not using any computer, just a rangefinder and flags. Jim

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The History Channel just had an Extreme marksman program. An army Sniper team was using, as they said, a .30 caliber Magnum. Bullet drop at 1000 yards was something like 37.5 inches. 7 shots, 2 to zero the rifle, 5 in rapid succession, all hits. Both have been in for 15 years. 400 yards suits me just fine. Jim [Quote]


The computer will generate your drop chart and wind drift, I print mine out, laminate it and keep it in my shirt pocket. First round hits are the key sighters are not that impressive
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I took the Doe on the right in the picture at 777 yards outside of Medicine bow Wy. in 05 with on shot in a 10 MPH quartering wind with one shopt useing my ballistics soft ware genertaed drop chart. If you look close you will see a red spot on her shoulder, that is where the bullet exited

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Specifically what rifle would be the most accurate and what caliber? Besides a .50.
There's a thousand-yard bench rest organization. Should be easy enough to look up match results and see what the winners are using..... keep in mind the weight of the gun is a big factor in what chambering you choose.
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There's a thousand-yard bench rest organization. Should be easy enough to look up match results and see what the winners are using..... keep in mind the weight of the gun is a big factor in what chambering you choose.
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Check out http://www.6mmbr.com/index.html if you want to check out the benchrest route. You'll learn more than you want to know about super-accurate benchrest rifles there.

FYI quick gathering from this site, the world record 10-shot group at 1000 yards is around 1.4" (from my memory), shot with a .30-cal wildcat, and there's a guy in NC who won a 600 yard match with a 5-shot group that measured .914" shooting a 6mm BR. Accurate enough?

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If the original poster is interested in learning about Llong Range Shooting for hunting then he would be better servered to checkout these web sites and ask questions there

http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/index.php

http://www.precisionlongrangehunter....ubbthreads.php

These sites are dedicated to long range hunting and not bench rest shooting at 1K. Some of the members do compete at 1K and beyound, but that is a different disipline.
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