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Old 08-21-2008, 09:10 PM
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For the non-handloader, is there any practical difference between the good old 300 Win mag and the newish 300 WSM? I'm looking for a stainless all around backup...
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Old 08-21-2008, 09:24 PM
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For the non-handloader, is there any practical difference between the good old 300 Win mag and the newish 300 WSM? I'm looking for a stainless all around backup...
My dad gave me a 300 win mag when I graduated from college. It's a Remington 700 Stainless circa 1994, with a vari-x compact 3-9x32. He told me that it was big enough to take anything in the lower 48. In our first hunt together after graduation we both killed bulls in the Uncumphagre. Mine was a raghorn 5x3, my first, and his was a raghorn 4x3. On the plaque, he said I should put "Bigger than Dad's"

As a "backup" as you refer to your need, it's great, because you can find ammo literally anywhere. I'll never get rid of it for obvious reasons, but despite not being the latest and greatest, it's been around, and it's not going anywhere. That's my choice. Get's better ballistics and the difference in price for factory rounds is negligible, if not in the 300 win mag's favor. Best of luck in your choice.

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Old 08-21-2008, 10:11 PM
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Get the 300 Win mag. I helped a friend sight in his brand new 300 WSM and It didn't get the advertised velocity and certainly not as good as the old standby 300 Win mag and I chrono'd it right beside a 300 Win mag with the same barrel length and same brand of ammo.

I do have to say though if I were going to buy a flat shooting 30 caliber magnum today I'd probably go for the 300 Rem Ultra-mag. 3300 plus fps with a 180 grain bullet sure trumps 3150 in my book and there is virtually no difference in rifle costs between the two.
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Old 08-22-2008, 03:45 AM
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I have had a 300 wby and currently have a 300wsm. I like the wsm because of the reduced rifle weight. Now the rifes were not the same model. The wby was a vanguard / howa and the wsm is a winchester but I think there is better than a pound difference in the two. Basicaly the wsm gives mag performance out of a short action instead of a mag action. I do alot of stalk hunting and weight makes a difference to me. If I was set up for alot of stand hunting, I might have kept the wby, or gone with a win mag, cause weight would be a help rather than a hinder in that set up.
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Old 08-22-2008, 07:19 AM
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I have had a 300 wby and currently have a 300wsm. I like the wsm because of the reduced rifle weight. Now the rifes were not the same model. The wby was a vanguard / howa and the wsm is a winchester but I think there is better than a pound difference in the two. Basicaly the wsm gives mag performance out of a short action instead of a mag action. I do alot of stalk hunting and weight makes a difference to me. If I was set up for alot of stand hunting, I might have kept the wby, or gone with a win mag, cause weight would be a help rather than a hinder in that set up.
I have a Mark V 300Wby and it has a total wait of 6 3/4 pounds with bases, rings and scope.

I would get the 300Win any day of the week over the 300WSM.
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Old 08-22-2008, 02:06 PM
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I own two .300 Win.Mag. a Ruger steinless and a custom mauser mannelicher style 22" and my son Eric own a browning micro hunter .300 WSM. The 3 are plain, no muzzle brake or similar device, they are all good, precise and according to advertisement they have similar velocity.....but the WSM to acheive the velocity of the WIN.MAG. work at much haigh pressure, from the handloading point of view the difference of cost of powder is negligeble, at present the availability of factory cartridge for the WIN.MAG just about everywhere the WSM I am not so certain. About firing i guess no difference provided the stock configuration and waight equal. In our case my son rifle is very light and kick like a mule.! I stick with the old version, beside and this is personal no offense to the WSM lovers, i do not like the short fat cartridge!!
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Old 08-22-2008, 03:26 PM
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just today i picked up a ruger MK II in 300 win mag, when i got home i stoned the trigger and sear and changed out the trigger/ sear spring, results are a very nice crisp trigger... haven't scaled it yet but it is very nice and VERY crisp! feels to be in the 3lb range. gonna scrub the bore in a day or two and go from there. i'm not big on belted mags but i do love the 300 winchester!!
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Old 08-22-2008, 03:33 PM
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by the way this is my first stainless rifle, any advice on bore break in compared to a chrom/moly? i generally dont worry about break in, with most rifles i shoot sparingly and clean often for the first few rounds but this is my first stainless rifle. i know, i know, i could shoot a different rifle for almost 3 weeks and not repeat and this is my first stainless... what can i say i like blueing and nice walnut.
i do know that stainless is more porous than chro/moly, just wanted some thoughts.
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Old 08-22-2008, 09:30 PM
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Hello BIG DAN, my ruger .300 Win Mag was also my first experience with steinless steel rifle. I bought it one and half year a go, I like it the look, the combination of steinless and the grey laminated wood, but the first time out I was a little disapointed of the grups, then I did some stoning to the trigger (now it break at 3.1/4 pound) also i glass bedded the action (top bottoms and the first 2" of the barrel) now on a good day it group 5 rounds within or less than 2" at 200 yrds. I only fire handload , and on this rifle I only use 180gr. Hornady or Wincester tips over 73.3 gr. of IMR 4831 , Wincester or Remington casing, WLRMagnum primers, cartridge O.A.L.3.350".
But concerning the breaking in process i followed the standard suggestion of many barrel makers:clean the barrel remove all oil trace, first 5 shoots clean after each one, then from 6 to 20 clean every 2 shoots then clean every 5 rounds for couple of boxes. By now my rifle must fired 400 plus rounds and I am very happy of the performance. I did not hunt with it so far, my son Eric will take it next month on his moose hunt as back up ( in the event that something happen to his rifle ) .
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Old 08-25-2008, 08:50 PM
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Thanks guys! Got the Hawkeye in 300 win mag. Now if I can just find one in 35 Whelen!
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Thanks guys! Got the Hawkeye in 300 win mag. Now if I can just find one in 35 Whelen!
Here ya go!

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Old 08-26-2008, 02:27 PM
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jerry's sport center has the whelen listed.

i just picked up an all weather ruger mk2 in 300 win mag, nice rifle. the bore is extremely smooth. my only knock is the recoil pad is a bit hard compared to the other factory rifles out there. the trigger slicked up real easily and i've got a 3x9 zeiss conquest mounted on it. the rifle is sighted in at 25 but until the wind lays down somewhat i'm waiting for the 100yd shooting. i've been kinda breaking in the bore with some loads laying around from another rifle, they chamber a little hard but i figure that i just as well shoot them up.
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Old 08-26-2008, 02:48 PM
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I have one of the old "Boat Paddle" stocked Ruger all Weather rifles in 300 Win Mag. It is one of the most accurate rifles I have ever owned. Mine is not fussy about powder with one exception it hates RL22. I am getting 3050 fps out RL19 and 180 Speer spitzers at .7". I think you made the right call going Win Mag instead of WSM. I never broke my rifle in and I bought it new 10 years ago, I've never broken a rifle in and had no problems. big dan those pad's are a killer, I'm going to try a slip on when I shoot it off of the bench the next time!
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Old 08-26-2008, 03:43 PM
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For the non-handloader, is there any practical difference between the good old 300 Win mag and the newish 300 WSM? I'm looking for a stainless all around backup...
What will the .300WM or .300WSM be backing up?
If'n it was me, I'd get a S&S model of what I've all ready got.
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Old 08-26-2008, 03:51 PM
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yeah marc you are right about the factory pad. i ordered a limbsaver to put on it. i have about 20 or so rounds loaded with 180gr hornady's and 76grs of rl22, they shot great in my buddys ruger (stainless and laminated)... i've got a dozen or so left that i'll probably use for my 100 yd sight in. after that i'll start in on a box of 180 speers. i'm thinking ramshot magnum with those. i also want to try the hornady 165gr spitzers with 4350 for general shooting

it's funny, i bought this rifle because i had the dies and brass and bullets on hand and a lot of appropriate speed powder for it so i figured what the heck! that and the fact that i got the thing brand new for $499.00. i've gotta tell ya i really like the weight of this thing as well as the lines of the stock. it feels to be about 8lbs with the scope on it.

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Old 08-26-2008, 05:00 PM
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CDLs in 30-06 and 35 Whelen, M7 7mm-08, and a 45-70.
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Old 08-26-2008, 05:14 PM
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Dan the Ramshot Magnum will shoot under an inch with 180s in mine. I only shoot 180s and up in my 300s. I also have 2 Weatherbys in 300WBY and a 300WSM I bought when they came out. I never liked the WSM. I was going to sell it but with the demise of Winchester I put in the back of the safe. IMR 7828 has proven to be the best powder in one of my 300WBY's and I'm just starting with loads for my new Mark V. 7828 has also been a great powder in the 300 Win also. Try the 7828 and RL19 in your 300 you make like what you find!
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yeah, i've got some rl-19 on hand that i'm gonna try, rl-22 as well. i've got 6 or 7 lbs of ramshot magnum on hand so that is what i'll probably work with the most. one of these days i want to try that new ssc7828.
i don't have much use for the short mags but to each their own.
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Old 08-26-2008, 06:35 PM
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FFM, to answer your original question there is ballisticly very little difference in a 300WSM and a 300WM. In fact there is very little real world difference in a 30-06, a 300WSM and a 300WM if you do not reload.
Ive had all 3 and the biggest difference I saw was recoil.<O</O
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Old 08-26-2008, 07:31 PM
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Cole,
Thats sort of my thought too, but I have NO exerience with the WSMs, and have always been "anti-magnum". Lately though, I've gotten it in my head that I need an all around go to gun/backup for bad weather etc, and was thinking a 300 would fit the bill. I want another 35 Whelen, but kept coming back to this. And if I do get to move out west...
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