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Old 10-11-2008, 03:37 PM
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Opinions on "High Energy", "Light Magnum", etc. loads for .30-06


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One of the main reasons I chose .30-06 as the caliber for my Rem. 700 is because it posseses one of the widest range of factory and hand load cartridge options, bullet weights/styles/compositions; not to mention inexpensive Mil. Ball/surplus, available. With such a spectrum, one can use their rifle for everything from excellent paper punching to varminting - both small and medium in size, to deer, to Elk, etc.

Clued into the Federal "High Energy" and Hornady "Light Magnum" factory loads that essentially take the ballistics of the -06 into the realm of that of a .300 win. mag. My rifle groups excellently with these "higher energy/ hot-loaded" rounds and the recoil induced by them is no problem to handle.

Interested to hear others thoughts on this, and in particular, choice of factory rounds including bullet type/brand (Trophy Bonded Bear Claw, Swift Scirroco, etc) of this nature.
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Old 10-11-2008, 04:07 PM
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I'm very impressed with what Hornaday and Federal have accomplished with those loads. Makes me wonder what they could do if they applied the same techniques to the "magnum' cartridges?

Beyond that, I dont use them. 30-06 works just fine as it is and a handloader can taylor a load to get better accuracy than any mass produced ammunition. Case fitting the chamber is more important to me.

It's a bit like the 22 lr compared to the 22 mag for me. Not enough gain to jusify the cost. I would just choose a centerfire (like the hornet or bee) to get the job done.

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Old 10-11-2008, 04:07 PM
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If one were to put those factory "hot" loads across a chronograph one might be a bit disappointed. Especially with the mindset that they are "in the realm of a 300 Winmag". A 30-06AI yes but not a factory 30-06.

IMO, a 180 grain bullet from an '06 is very potent medicine for things up to elk size. I my self use 165 grain Hornady spire pt boattails cranked up to 3160 fps out of my 30-06 AI. (very much "in the fealm of a 300 Winmag) This combination has accounted for several elk and muleys, from less than 100 yards to near 400 yards. Now I've been loading some shells for another 30-06 (pre '64 win) using the same bullet and about 7 grains less powder and getting them to scoot out of the barrel at only 2980 fps. I can't tell the difference between the 2 as far as recoil. Accuracy in both rifles is under 1 moa at 100 yards.

Dad's bullet of choice was the old Remington Corelokt 180 grain round nose. But, try to find them in your local sporting goods store in the reloading section, let alone at Midway OR Graf's. Yes you can get the factory seconds at Midway but my '06 won't shoot them for beans. The new Remington bonded bullets are supposed to be the knat's behind but I haven't shot any of those either.

As far as the Bear Claws or Scirrocos, I can only coment on the 180 grain Scirroco II's I used in my 300RUM. Accuracy was not the best, but they did kill elk. I've swirched to Nosler's 180 grain Accubond with better accuracy results and they still kill elk.

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I took an elk w/ the Federal TBBC-HE load a few years ago. One shot from my 24" BDL and down it went. Those bullets chronoed at 2835 fps from my rifle which is about what I can get handloading 180 gr Barnes TSX's.

That year I didn't have time to handload any hunting rounds, so going w/ the HE worked out well. I only use them now in my pump carbine to make up for the shorter barrel length.

My preference is always for the premium bullet, then that little bit of extra velocity. If your gun shoots them OK, you get both w/ the HE rounds.
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Old 10-11-2008, 04:30 PM
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Hornady shows the 180 Light Mag at 2900. If it that is true, I feel bad about my Win Mag now...lol Bring on the Ultra Mag or big Weatherby.

It is impressive if they are really getting 2900, because the Heavy Mag 180 in a .300 is only at 3100 and Im not sure those are really getting 3100. Anyone know ?
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Old 10-11-2008, 04:36 PM
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I've been using 165gr. Nosler Partitions in my .30-06 for years, at 2800fps muzzle velocity. Everything I've shot with them is still dead Too lazy to change a good load just for style, I guess ... ?

If it floats your boat, by all means. I'm glad to see some innovation in the industry, even if I don't plan on using it.
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I know a .300 Savage will kill Whitetail dead. I just love the big boomers, and I want them REALLY dead I tell people at work I have a .300 Win Mag for Varmints, a .325 WSM for Deer, and I haven't gotten me an Elk rifle yet.
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Norma MRP can equal these ballistics with a 180gr bullet in my .30-'06, with published loads.

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Old 10-12-2008, 11:25 AM
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Before I started handloading I tried the Hornady Light Magnums in my .30-06, .270 and .308. I tried the .30-06 165 gr BT and .308 165 gr BT and .270 140 gr BT.<O</O
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Reloader 25 may/should get you the Light Mag performance as well, but it may be a bit too compressed.
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Old 10-15-2008, 09:46 AM
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Well I bought 2 or 3 boxes of Federaley High Energy, Never put it through a chrony, but they had a primer issue. About every third round would touch off when the bolt was closed; at any speed. And NO it isn't/wasn't a gun issue. When I spoke with them, the answer was yeah that happens some times, just don't use that lot.

As far as the Horn-head stuff, I got something like 10 boxes of Light-mag for christmas. The Hornady I have shot through my Chrony, and the posted velocity was well above the actual velocity.
My 24-inch 308 barrel showed about 200 Fps less than listed. The most disturbing thing with the light mag ammo, was the variance in the velocity from round to round. An extreme spread of 100Fps.

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Old 10-15-2008, 09:52 AM
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I tried Hornady Light Mags in my 30-06, way to irratic in accuracy. Could not seem to get a decent group out of them, It was all over the target, dropped back down to standard loads, and it brought them right back down to 1/2" to 1" groups.
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One of the main reasons I chose .30-06 as the caliber for my Rem. 700 is because it posseses one of the widest range of factory and hand load cartridge options, bullet weights/styles/compositions; not to mention inexpensive Mil. Ball/surplus, available. With such a spectrum, one can use their rifle for everything from excellent paper punching to varminting - both small and medium in size, to deer, to Elk, etc.

Clued into the Federal "High Energy" and Hornady "Light Magnum" factory loads that essentially take the ballistics of the -06 into the realm of that of a .300 win. mag. My rifle groups excellently with these "higher energy/ hot-loaded" rounds and the recoil induced by them is no problem to handle.

Interested to hear others thoughts on this, and in particular, choice of factory rounds including bullet type/brand (Trophy Bonded Bear Claw, Swift Scirroco, etc) of this nature.
I shot an elk several years ago with a Federal 180gr Trophy Bonded Bear Claw out of my 300 Win Mag. The bull was at 75 yds quartering slightly away. I found the bullet behind the shoulder on the far side under the skin. It was perfectly mushroomed and retained over 90% of its mass. Great elk bullet. Accuracy is good, not great (around 1.5MOA), as I recall, but it certainly did the job for me. Great factory load for larger game, but probably wouldn't fully perform on our Texas deer.
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I'm very impressed with what Hornaday and Federal have accomplished with those loads. Makes me wonder what they could do if they applied the same techniques to the "magnum' cartridges?
Sounds like Weatherby's philosophy
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In my 338 win mag

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Old 04-07-2013, 08:36 AM
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Freedom, just my thoughts.

The '06 is way underloaded as a factory round. factory ammo must work in all rifles chambered for 30-06; and than includes some old timers like the Win 95, Military, and low pressure guns.
If you have a modern high pressure bolt action, like a Rem Model 700, the rifle will handle much higher pressure than factory loads, and so will the '06 brass.

So if you have an application where you NEED more power; go with the premium high vel loads. For most of the normal hunting, whitetail, mule, speed goats, etc the factory loads and the normal reloads are perfect; maybe even BETTER. You can actually, overpower your bullets and the game. few if any magnum loads are needed for most game, they get their thousands of a second faster but do the same job as factory, or over expand.

The 30-06 is versatile, that is it's virtue...and its failing. Get one load that shoots great in your rifle and you can use that load forever.
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Freedom 700, I had no luck trying those "High Energy" bullets out at the range in Wyoming for my .338 Win mag. The shot groups were over 4.5 inchs at 100 yds. The same went for my back up rifle, a .300 Win mag caliber, they they were closer to 5 inches out of my pair of Winchester model 70 rifles.

Try out several brands of premium bullets in the bullet weight your going to be using. This is the only really way to know what your rifle likes and then stick with them OK.

Mike is not lazy, he like a lot of experienced hunters, has found out what works for him and his rifle on big game animals. My most used bullets for big game hunts are Swift A Frame and Nosler Partitions. Good Luck! In my .338 Win mag, I use 250 grn Swift A Frames and in my .300 Win mag I use 200 grn Accubond bullet by Nosler. These are what shoots the best in these two hunting rifles!

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30-06-- Rem Corelokts--150 for deer in MI. Should I ever get a elk permit would probably hunt up some Win Silvertips 180's left from a moose hunt in AK-1967. Kiled the moose just fine.

My last 2 deer and a coyote at my sons place--243 80 gr Rem Corelokts-handloads-about 2950 fps. 3 shots-2 deer + one coyote. 1 deer and coyote at 80 yards other deer at about 130 yds.
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Old 04-10-2013, 12:02 PM
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I use 30-06 Light Magnums with 180 Nosler Partitions as my elk load. My rifle loves them, shoots them into inch groups @ 100 yards.

I also like the 150 grain SST @ 3100 fps for an antelope load. Who needs a 25-06?
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I also like the 150 grain SST @ 3100 fps for an antelope load. Who needs a 25-06?
Nobody that has a .257 Weatherby .
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