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Old 10-16-2008, 09:32 PM
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7mm Rem Mag vs. 270 win


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Age old question: which rifle is better? Im looking into buying a new rifle and cant decide between the two. I want something large enougn for both whitetail and mule deer. Due to the fact that I like my shoulder, Iv decided against a 300 win mag and iv never been impressed by a 30-06.

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Old 10-16-2008, 09:39 PM
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Get you a Savage 116 in 7mm Rem Mag. Look for one with the new P.A.D. recoil pad on it. If you can't find one of those, add a Sims Limbsaver and enjoy. I've never been fond of the 06 either, which is why I'm anti-270, since that is the 06 case it's based on.

Do you handload, or will it feed on factory ammo ? If you handload, then get you a 7mm Rem Ultra Mag, and load it for the situation. Will make it a lot more versatile. If you are really recoil shy, then you might want to check out the 7mm-08 and/or the 7x57. Great and proven killers.
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For white tail and mule deer, there is no difference that could be identified by either the deer or the hunter if you just used effect on game as the measure.
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For white tail and mule deer, there is no difference that could be identified by either the deer or the hunter if you just used effect on game as the measure.

Sasks, I agree but the shooter can tell the difference because of the greater recoil of the 7 Rem Mag.

With comparable bullets the 7 Rem Mag is about 150 fps faster with about 300 ft/lbs of energy more than the .270 Win. The 7 Rem Mag shoots about 3-4 inches flatter and has about 2 inches less wind drift than the .270 at 500 yards. Will the deer know the difference? No.

Both cartridges can cleanly kill any deer at 500 yards if the shooter and the rifle are up to the task. But unfortunately most shooters are not up to the task.


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Old 10-17-2008, 08:32 AM
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I would go with the 7mm Rem Mag. faster, flatter, more energy
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Old 10-17-2008, 09:20 AM
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Personally I would go with the 7 mag. I am a magnum junky, and yes I know that you may not need the extra power, but as an owner of a 270, it shoots really good, but I have had more than one deer jump up and run off with a 130 grain power point. Shot one through the boiler room once, and it hit the dirt hard, rolled over, jumped back on its feet and off it went, had to fish it out of the creek, when it finally fell.

I now use a 300 mag, and haven't had a deer take one step after the bullet hit. My Dad has an austrian made 7 mag, and it is a killer
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Old 10-17-2008, 09:35 AM
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I have owned several rifles in both of these calibers and harvest many deer, elk and antelope with both.
If I had to have just one of the two I would go with the 7 mm.
My reasoning:
1. The 7 will handle bigger bullets, thus bigger game. I have taken several elk (cleanly) with the 270, but the 7 will give you more energy at longer ranges.
2. If you reload or buy factory ammo you have a larger selection of bullets/ammo.
3. I personally didn't notice a big difference in recoil. If you do have a problem with recoil a Hi-Tech muzzle break will remedy this.
If you intend to hunt deer only I would opt for the 270, but you never know when you will get a chance to go for elk or moose!
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Old 10-17-2008, 10:14 AM
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I used the 7 Rem Mag on all sorts of game. Used the 270 for awhile.
The 06 is my go to rifle. Pretty hard to beat it.

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Old 10-17-2008, 11:57 AM
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As I approach my seventh decade, I too no longer appreciate the retina detaching & shoulder bruising recoil of magnum rifles.

I don't have a 7mm Mag but I do have a lot of experience with both the 270 Wby and the 270 Win. The Weatherby is virtually a "another pea in the pod" when compared to the 7mm Mag - especially where recoil is concerned. And, I have found that the 270 Win is much more comfortable to shoot, even in a rifle that weighs less. I've taken four elk with this rifle.

That being said, you don't really need either version of 270 for deer size game. I now have a 25-06 that with the 100 grain bullet will shoot every bit as flat as any magnum. With premium bullets in the 100 to 117 grain range it can even be used on elk. This is a very comfortable rifle to shoot.
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Old 10-17-2008, 12:37 PM
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To the question of "both whitetail and Mule deer". Shoot the .270.
Either one will MORE THAN be enough to kill your prey.

Despite what MOST people say, few people shoot(not counting hail-mary shots, that just happend to connect)game beyond 200 yards. And even fewer people shoot ANYTHING over 300 yards. The trajectory in this distance is irrelevant between the two cartridges, and energy difference for the mentioned game is irrelevant as well.

The 270 will have less recoil, and use less powder for the same job(muleys and whiteys).
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Deer and .270 are perfect. I shoot a 7mm Rem. for elk but use a 6mm Rem. for deer.
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Old 10-17-2008, 05:32 PM
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I have both and don't care for the 7. I am getting 3140 fps out the 270 with 130 grain Speers and IMR 4831. I am also working up loads with the 160 Partition for an up coming elk hunt for my Dad's 270. I am right at 2800 fps with it. A deer can run off with anything in it. The 270 kicks less and ammo is much cheaper.I have come to the conclusion the 270 gives up very little to the 7. My favorite caliber is the 300 WBY. It is a big step up from the 7.
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A deer can run off with anything in it. .
I disagree with that. If you put a big bore through atleast one shoulder, or better yet both, they wont go anywhere. Break the shoulder(s), sacrifice the meat, and save the walking.
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That I agree with. The property I hunt, is not large, so I want them to go down, and stay down. If they cross into another property it tends to a pain in the butt.
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Me too my friend. I own 19 acres, and hunt along the property lines, where the creek is. I want them down and down fast. The hill on the other side is viscious to climb.
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While I agree that it is possible to often overwhelm a deer with large caliber and energy, if you think that there is a shoulder arm that will always prevent a deer from running, you haven't shot enough deer.
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I agree with that Saskshooter, and I have seem my uncle take a deer with one shot with a 6mm. I have killed deer with one shot with a 25-06. I guess it comes down to preference. I like my 270, and it shoots really nice, and it light to carry, but have just had to many instances with having to track deer after shooting them.
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If you want them to drop you need to hit them in the neck or bust both front shoulders. They can run a hundred yards with no lungs or heart, that's just how much oxygen is left in the bloodstream. It doesn't matter what caliber you use.
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Old 10-18-2008, 03:43 PM
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7 mag vs .270

If you've narrowed it down to these two, then I'd opt for the 7 mag. Most big 7 rifles are heavier than their .270 counterparts, but I like the bigger caliber for long range shots at medium size animals. The .270 is very capable, but bullet placement becomes more important with smaller diameter.

Are you a handloader? The .30-06 is badly underloaded in factory loads. When loaded as hot as the .270, a 150 gr .30 caliber bullet is a better killer than the 140 gr 7mm Magnum. It leaves a better blood trail, and gives you similar power to the 7 Mag in a lighter rifle. With a recoil pad, it kicks no differently than the .270.

Having used all three, my Browning Safari bolt action .30-06 with good (not super hot) accurate handloads will take elk at 400 yards without problem (I've dropped four elk with the .30-06 without any travelling more than 50 yards).

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Old 10-18-2008, 04:07 PM
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I have to say, even though I dont like them, I tip my hat to the .30-06. It has stood the test of time. Although I'm a recoil addict, and dont want it if it dont have Magnum in the name
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