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Old 10-21-2008, 09:27 AM
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Best caliber for coyotes AND deer?


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I'd first like to say that I am new to this forum and that I have enjoyed going through old threads and reading the advice and information. I realize my question is a much-debated one, but I had a specific situation that I was hoping I could get some help with.

I have always been an upland game hunter. My experience with rifles is limited. I recently decided to purchase some hunting property that had good numbers of upland game. However, I now find myself facing two interesting dilemmas: (1.) the property also has a number of tempting whitetails and (2.) there are a lot of coyotes around.

I have decided to purchase a rifle to address these dilemmas, but I'd like to handle both with one rifle. The property is such that would require longer distance shots and quick kills. The average shot is going to be about 250 yards and because part of the property is impossible to get through, numbers of bleeding running deer will have to be minimized.

Can you recommend a rifle caliber that can handle these tasks?

I was initially considering a 7mm Remington Mag., however, I was discouraged when I compared the price of the ammunition with that of the 30-30. I am now between the 308 and the 30-06, but am also considering the 270.

Am I on the right track?

Thank you, in advance, for any help.

P.S. If you would like to recommend a specific make/model of rifle and scope, and/or type/weight of ammunition, it would also be greatly appreciated.
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Old 10-21-2008, 09:39 AM
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Of the calibers, you mention, the .270 Winchester would be a wise choice. Also you might consider .243 Winchester, .25-06, or 6 m/m Remington; however, of the three, you might have some trouble in purchasing a 6 m/m Rifle. I am uncertain if it is still chambered in various brands of Rifles.
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i'd go with a 25/06 in a remington 700 with either a leupold FXIII 6x or a zeiss 3x9 conquest.
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Old 10-21-2008, 09:51 AM
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Are you a reloader? Whether or no, for pure economy the .308 is probably the best choice of those you mentioned. It uses the least powder and factory ammo may be cheaper/more plentiful at this point, though the others should be close. If you're willing to consider an alternative, think about a .243 Win. It'll do what you're asking very nicely.
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Old 10-21-2008, 09:54 AM
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Welcome to the forum. Are you going to try to salvage the coyote hides, or just pest control? Any rifle that will handle a whitetail will do in a coyote, but most of them will make a mess of the hide.

If you don't care what becomes of the coyote, any of the popular calibers in .243 / 6mm and up will suffice. I'm partial to the .257 Roberts myself.

What's the most reasonably priced ammunition in your area? That might be your best best.
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I think the .308 would be hard to beat for store-bought ammo, also the .243. The 7mm and .270 could do the job admirably, but I have not seen the varmint ammo in the stores. For reloaders the options (and choices) get much more varied, just about anything can be loaded for varmint. Then I would throw in the 6.5 (.264) family and .25s as well.

A nice bolt-action with a 4x12 scope and plenty of time to practice quick accurate shots (coyotes don't always give you much time), and you should be ready for all kinds of hunting situations. I have a 4x12 Leupold VX II on a Ruger M77 (1970s vintage) in .243 that does the job for me. However, I just got a 6.5x55 Swede on a CZ 550 Full Stock that would work too. So many choices, so little time.

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Ditto to what MikeG said (as usual - he's one smart guy!). I'd opt for a 250 Savage or 257 Roberts, as either one is just a comforting bit better on deer than either of the 6mm rounds. But neither is a pelt-keeper's friend.

Any moderate power round in the action style you prefer will do the job: 243, 6mm, 250 Savage, 257 Roberts, 260, 7-08, 270, 280, 300 Savage, 308... But as mentioned, the better it does with one size of game, the worse it'll do with the other.
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Old 10-21-2008, 10:13 AM
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I use a 243 win for both. 58 gr at 3700 for varmints and 100 gr at 2900 for deer. I have lots of rifles but my 243 win mod 70 has more notches than all the rest when it comes to taking deer but it has also been around a lot longer than the rest.
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I'd vote for the .25/06 or .243 as well, both will easily handle whitetails and coyotes. .243 ammo is a little cheaper than .25/06. The .25/06 packs a lot more punch with no gain in recoil.
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I think the 7mm-08 and the .260 Rem are good choices, especially if you reload (edited to add .260 Rem). If not, I would go with 25-06. .243 is also a good choice, and I've killed a bunch of deer with them, but if the big muy grande steps out, I'd rather have something that I'm confident would put 'em down with a double shoulder shot.

Just my .02. Congrats on the land, btw, and here's to pest control.

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Old 10-21-2008, 11:23 AM
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I would go with a .25-06 or a .243. Both shoot flat and are big enough to kill a coyote or a deer at 250 yards. Also store bought ammo shouldn't be bad.
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P.S. If you would like to recommend a specific make/model of rifle and scope, and/or type/weight of ammunition, it would also be greatly appreciated.
If you are looking for a quality rifle without shelling out a bunch of dough, there are a bunch of choices. With that said, Weatherby sells the Vanguard in a package deal that comes with a bushnell banner scope pre-mounted, and a rifle case. You can pick one up on gunbroker.com for between $500-$550. The Banner scope isn't anything to write home about, but the hard case and rings alone are worth buying it that way. You can upgrade the scope at your convenience, and you've already got a setup that should be close to sighted in. It also comes in bunch of calibers folks have listed in this thread: .223 Rem. .257 Wby. Mag. .243 Win. .25-06 Rem. .270 Win. 7mm-08 Rem. .308 Win.
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yep the vanguards are nice, then there is the howas & savages and rugers and...... heck they are all good!! if it were me i would just use the deer load to whack yotes, there isn't much sense in trying to sight in for two loads. this way you get to know your deer load a little better in the offseason when you're whacking songdogs.
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I vote for a 25-06 as well. Good for varmints up to elk. Can't get much more versatile than that. I have had great results on coyotes using Win. 90gr hp's or sierra's 90gr. hp in reloads. For deer I have settled on a 100gr. Nosler Partition and have had excellent results on big Wisconsin whitetails. And referring to big dan's post...the point of impact between the two is so small there is no need to resight for a different load. I usually do anyway...just a good excuse to go shooting!!

As far as a rifle , you have to pick which one is best for you. you can take 100 different suggestions here and none matter until you personally pick one up. Every maker has a good rifle anymore and which is best is as bad as asking which caliber is best for what They will all work and you can't really go wrong no matter which you decide on.
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Another vote for the 25-06. It's flat shooting, great knockdown power, meat and user friendly.

Find a rifle that fits like a hand shake from an old friend and put decent 3x9 glass on it. My favorite is a Browning A-bolt composite stalker with a VX-II leupold.

I handload, found no fault with the 100 Gr. Sierra pro-hunter.

Goodluck on what ever you choose, and congrats on the land acquision.
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If you handload, the choices are wide. But in store bought ammo the 308 would be my choice. You can get military surplus ammo for practice. The 308 hunting ammo is about the cheapest to be found right now. In 308, I like the Ruger M77 with a Timney trigger. A good 2x7 scope would work OK.
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I've always thought of the 243 as a good dual purpose round but I'm more and more starting to think the quarter bores may be just as good....if not better due to a little more power for deer. A 25-06 or 257 Roberts would be just about ideal I'm thinking...
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Old 10-22-2008, 05:41 AM
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Lots of good suggestions here. Look around at some of the local sporting goods stores and talk to the counter folks. You didn't say what kind of budjet your looking at so giving you a specific rifle and scope is a little harder. Many of our members have given you good advice.

I shoot two different 243's, a Ruger #1 single shot and a Remington 700 VLS varmint rifle. Both do in both coyotes and deer with good results and ammo is available everywhere from Walmart to Cabela's and all sporting goods dealers have 243's. This is an easy to shoot dual purpose cartridge that literally thousands of folks nationwide have been whacking deer and coyotes with for lots of years.

I own and shoot several varmint, deer and elk rifles and found that I like a dedicated rifle for each type of game I hunt, but I'm really into hunting and shooting. For a one rifle person any of the above recommendations are good.
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Old 10-22-2008, 09:26 AM
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I wanted to thank you all for your advice thus far. I had not thought of the .25-06, and I will definitely consider it as one of my final choices.

I also wanted to answer some of the questions that were raised so that you may better respond:

1.) I DO NOT reload. All of my ammunition will be store-bought ready-to-shoot. Therefore, a readily available caliber (with bullets that can handle deer) is important.

2.) I do not know yet how much I am willing to spend. I would definitely spend a little more for a nicer gun than a nicer scope. I cannot see myself putting an eyepiece on a rifle that costs more than the gun itself. Some of the scopes that were suggested, although very nice, can pass $1000. I'd like to stay around $200 for the scope (and even that is a little high for me), but I could approach a $1000 for a nice Browning or something.

3.) At first, I was considering saving the coyote hides, but now I think I just want to get rid of them as quickly as possible before they do any more damage to the game populations. So, at this point, being able to DROP a deer and a coyote at 250-300 yards is most important.

I hope this information helps. Thank you all again.
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Old 10-22-2008, 09:37 AM
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You're getting the scope thing backwards, my opinion. A cheap scope that fails on an expensive gun still misses critters. A modestly priced gun, with a good reliable scope that always works, doesn't lose adjustments and fog up, gets them every time.

Not that cheap scopes can't work. But you get what you pay for. $200 isn't a bad budget, though. There are good scopes in that range.
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