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Old 01-08-2009, 01:22 PM
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I have decided i would like a new rifle but im having trouble deciding on which calibre to get. I want something that has long range knockdown power, and i know that both the .270 and .300 have this ability. I hunt a lot of pigs at long range and i will be going after some larger game very soon, this is why i thought the .300 might be a better choice, and i have always wanted a .300 Win Mag. What i need to know is, what is the recoil like on the .300 Win Mag with 150 grain projectiles? If i get the .300 i would only be using 150 grainers until i go after larger game. I have quite a bit of experience in shooting, but i have never fired a big magnum. I shoot a lightweight .308 and i can handle the recoil no problems at all.
Should i just forget the .300 and go with the .270? Please help me decide!

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Old 01-08-2009, 02:00 PM
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If you want to hunt with a .300 Win Mag then you'd probably be advised to use heavier bullets than 150 grains, or at least, the very best controlled expansion bullets you can find. Ask Bob what happens when you hit a deer with 150gr. bullets going too fast......

The heavier bullets will not only hold up better at short ranges when they hit something, but generally you end up with less wind drift at longer ranges and sometimes much better accuracy.

I've found recoil to be more of an issue with stock shape / dimensions. Have some big boomers that aren't bad at all with a good stock design, and some lesser-powered rifles that kick worse due to bad stock design.

If you shoot pigs then you already know, shot placement is everything....

I don't know what you are considering as 'large' game but frankly a .308 is pretty good already and if I wanted to improve substantially on that, I'd get a .338 Win Mag. Just my opinion.
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Old 01-08-2009, 02:23 PM
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I have shot a 300 Win Mag in a T/C Encore and get gets meat a both ends with 180 grain which is the lightest bullet I would use...Now I have a 300 H & H in a pre 64 Winchester and shooting 180 and 190 grain bullets have not been a recoil problem...I would think the Win Mag in the right weight rifle would be the same.
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Old 01-08-2009, 03:12 PM
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I've found recoil to be more of an issue with stock shape / dimensions. Have some big boomers that aren't bad at all with a good stock design, and some lesser-powered rifles that kick worse due to bad stock design.
Stock design is probably the biggest factor in how hard a given rifle will bop you.

The .300 win Mag is not a really hateful round to shoot out of most any properly fitting rifle and you should have no issues.
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Old 01-08-2009, 03:54 PM
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I too wanted a bigger rifle, once, when I already had a .308 Win Sako Forester.
I bought a Ruger M77 in .300 Win Mag. I sold both of those and now own 2 .270's and a 7mm-08.

The others have covered the recoil issue and I agree totally. My Ruger was not difficult to tolerate.

As for a 150 gr bullet, go up to a 180 in my opinion. I shot some deer with my 300 and it ruined a lot of good meat. The 300 should be used on very big deer, mule deer, elk, moose, etc. I'd personally use the .308 for deer and pigs.
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Old 01-08-2009, 05:12 PM
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As for a 150 gr bullet, go up to a 180 in my opinion. I shot some deer with my 300 and it ruined a lot of good meat.
Agreed.

The .300 Win Mag achieves optimum performance with a 180 gr. bullet of good construction. My pet load uses IMR-4350 and a Speer Grand Slam. VERY good working combo. A 150 gr. cup & core bullet or a Ballistic Tip sort of deal will, at a minimum, ruin a lot of meat with anything other than a broadside shot through the ribs. A close in shot with too lightly constructed a bullet could result in bullet failure.
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Old 01-08-2009, 07:24 PM
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Hi .308 HUNTER,
since you already own a .308 and in quest of a second rifle
whit knockdown power at long range... because of the "words knockdown and long range" I would favor the .300 Win Mag over the .270.
They are both good cartridge but it remain that the .270 as a bullets limit of 150 grain.
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Old 01-09-2009, 01:07 AM
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Out of those two, I would go with the .300 Win Mag, but hey, Im partial. I find my .300 very shooter friendly, and swapping to a Hogue stock made it a dream. I also reccomend the heavier bullets for it. I myself am now working on a 200gr load, but that adds a bit more recoil to the equation.

See my sig line for my view on the .270 (it is meant in good fun, sorta )
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Old 01-09-2009, 02:21 AM
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I love the 270 and the 300 WBY there is something about 180 grains at the speed of Roy. If you want to take a big step up for large game I agree with Mike and the 338 Win.
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Old 01-09-2009, 02:35 AM
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The 270 is limited to shorter ranges and has less knockdown power. 150gr is a little light for 300WM especially at shorter ranges. It's best left to longer ranges where the bullet has time to slow down a bit. For many years 1000 yard competitors have used the 300WM and 300WBY. The REALLY BIG advantage of a 300 is that there are so many bullet styles and weights to choose from, more than any other caliber. You can tailor it to your situation. As far as recoil, my Browning BAR Longtrac semi-auto doesn't seem to have much more recoil than my 308 turnbolt. I once had a Ruger M77 in 300WM that would leave a bruise on your shoulder and a Savage 110 that was even worse. I can shoot my Longtrac wearing a T-shirt!
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Old 01-09-2009, 04:57 AM
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The 270 is limited to shorter ranges and has less knockdown power. 150gr is a little light for 300WM especially at shorter ranges. It's best left to longer ranges where the bullet has time to slow down a bit. For many years 1000 yard competitors have used the 300WM and 300WBY. The REALLY BIG advantage of a 300 is that there are so many bullet styles and weights to choose from, more than any other caliber. You can tailor it to your situation. As far as recoil, my Browning BAR Longtrac semi-auto doesn't seem to have much more recoil than my 308 turnbolt. I once had a Ruger M77 in 300WM that would leave a bruise on your shoulder and a Savage 110 that was even worse. I can shoot my Longtrac wearing a T-shirt!
Great comments so far and lots of good advice for sure. 300win mag gives you more and recoil is not that bad. If you want to shoot a 150gr go to a GS in a 30-06 moving 3150fps and that would solve all your problems. But the bullet is expensive and you have to reload. I would in your case choose a 300win mag or 300Wby with a good stock design.
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Old 01-09-2009, 08:15 AM
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I have decided i would like a new rifle but im having trouble deciding on which calibre to get. I want something that has long range knockdown power, and i know that both the .270 and .300 have this ability. I hunt a lot of pigs at long range and i will be going after some larger game very soon, this is why i thought the .300 might be a better choice, and i have always wanted a .300 Win Mag. What i need to know is, what is the recoil like on the .300 Win Mag with 150 grain projectiles? If i get the .300 i would only be using 150 grainers until i go after larger game. I have quite a bit of experience in shooting, but i have never fired a big magnum. I shoot a lightweight .308 and i can handle the recoil no problems at all.
Should i just forget the .300 and go with the .270? Please help me decide!

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Long range knockdown power in a 270? on deer perhaps, on elk it's another story. Another fallacy is using 150 grain bullets in the 300 mag. Yes they kill, but they also create extreme meat damage. Like bloodshot the whole front quarters. Most 180 grain bullets will kill better and with the higher SD's shoot near as flat as the higher speed 150's and they carry more energy which is the real killer.

At this point in life I've killed 46 elk or there abouts. Stopped counting the deer. Mostly used one form of 300 mag or another since 1962 pushing 180 grain bullets. Since 1978 I used a Remington 8mm mag pushing a Sierra 220 grain Game King at just over 3000 fps. I've hunted with folks that have used everything from a 243 to a 378 Weatherby for elk and seen a lot killed and a bunch that were lost or that we spent three days digging out of frying pan canyon. You simply can't believe how much meat you can damage using about any of the 150 grain bullets out of a 300 Magnum. Years ago I stopped doing the heart lung shot on elk and went to a front shoulder shot. You really need a well constructed 30 caliber or above heavy bullet to make this work without destroying a lot of meat.

When I first started using a 300 mag rifle I built a 308 Norma mag and disreguarding my hunting partner's advice I loaded 150 grain bullets just as fast as I could push them. He was shooting 180 grain Nosler's out of his 300 ICL Grizzly (A 300 Weatherby clone) and killing deer and elk well past 500 yards with it consistantly.

We were hunting down on Rapid River which drains into the little Salmon River and it was steep canyon country. It looked a lot like this.



You could kill two mule deer there at the time and I was looking for a nice buck or even a doe to fill our first tag. I jumped a bunch and drew down on a does neck as she and about 8 more went up the trail in front of us. When I touched off that hot 150 grain 308 Norma mag load 3350 fps made the rifle jump enough that I didn't see the bullet hit.

When I brought the gun back down there was still a bunch of deer going up the trail. I was sure I missed and was going to shoot again when my buddy said you got it.

We found the deer about 30 feet below the trail. Instead of hitting it in the back of the neck I hit it in the back of the head. It must have jogged when I pulled the trigger.

There was nothing left but a pair of ears and it's neck. The neck and most of the front quarters were bloodshot and ended up being waisted. The next day I switched to well built 180 grainers and never looked back.
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Old 01-09-2009, 02:03 PM
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Good stuff, I like the picture of that beautiful country for sure. I have used the 150gr GS to not only get velocity and due to BC long range but because it will not blood shot meat like most 150gr bullets will and it will not come apart but hold up right through the shoulders and out the other side. It has added some real distance to my mags but I like it best in the 30-06. I will be testing new powder in my 06 and some more GS's in about two weeks and will post the results. I like the GS better than I do even the TSX. The deer I shot with the 100gr TSX from my 257Wby was traveling at 3672fps and did not damage meat like a ballistic tip out of a 270 win.

Conventional bullets in a 300mag of any kind should be 180grs for sure. Still testing on game the 150gr GS in my 06 and 300Wby and the verdict is still out but in about a year or so I should have enough results to draw a general conclusion. I have a friend who will be testing it on elk and moose since he goes a lot on those hunts.
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Old 01-10-2009, 05:38 AM
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If you want to hunt with a .300 Win Mag then you'd probably be advised to use heavier bullets than 150 grains, or at least, the very best controlled expansion bullets you can find. Ask Bob what happens when you hit a deer with 150gr. bullets going too fast......
No truer words have been spoken. Long story short, in 1972 my dad shot a huge Yukon moose with his 300 WM. It charged and when it was all said and done, he fired 13 times, hitting it 9, several in the vital zone and others in various areas. He said it scared the *&#@ out of him and he was throwing lead to try and stop the charge. I only recently asked him what bullets he was using. He said 150 grains...and knowing him it was run of the mill SP's and this was back when factory ammo quality was no where near the quality it is today. Choose your bullets wisely and if I had a 300 WM, for me it's a no brainer to go with 180s, the only exception being if it was a TSX.
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I gave up my 300 Win Mag in favor of a 7mm Rem Mag. Much easier to shoot and still has more knock down power than I need.
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I agree with Flashhole for the hunting you want to do a 7mm Remington Mag would be great. I have used the 7mm RM and it is a great cartridge it does everything you need a do. As for the 300 mags What Bob has said is so true I have never seen so much dynamited meat with a 300 Mag using the wrong bullet. If you have to use the heavier bullets to get the best performance out of a 300 mag why not go up to a 8mm Remington mag, or the .338 Winchester mag. My .375 H4H is marvelous with all of the power it has it does not damage meat. Hit a deer with a 270 grain bullet and it will punch a silver dollar sized hole through the animal and you can just about eat the hole. To be sure if you hit a shoulder blade it will demolish it but not to the extent a high velocity bullet from something like a .257 Weatherby, .264 Winchester or a.300 mag will do. With the .375 it doesn't really matter how far out the animal is 50 yards or 300 the bullet will not ruin the meat. What I like about cartridges which are called medium bores such as 8 Remington Mag, 338 Winchester, 340 Weatherby,35 Whelen ,375 H&H, is you can use the same load for everything. My No,1H Ruger is not really picky about what bullet it shoots. The only bullet weight I have never used is the 235 grain. I normally use a 270 grain Hornady spitzer. Because of the penetration the .375 has before I take a shot at a deer, or Elk I am alway thinking of shot angles. When I look at a possible shot I think of what shot will reach the animals vital areas with the least about of meat damage, and not have a gut shot.
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SignalShifter, I load 200gr bullets for my .300 Win Mag, but I have gotten started with a .338 Win Mag now. I'm going to try it with several bullets, and different weights. I really hope it performs best with 250's. That should put the smack down on about anything I need to.
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My old hunting partner has used the 7mm Rem Mag on elk and deer here in Idaho for the past 20 plus years. For elk he shoots the Speer 175 grain grand slam with great results.

One big advantage to the 7mm Rem mag or the 7mm STW which is Remington's 8mm Mag necked down to 7mm is recoil is on par with the 30-06, in other words it's a very pleasent package to hunt with.

I've got a friend whom uses a 300 RUM and came across a 7mm STW a couple of years ago. I just cut down a Remington BDL stock for his fiance. She killed a nice doe with it a just over 400 yards. I cut the stock down so it fit her exactly and she shoots it very well. Their getting married in June and going to Africa on a hunt for their honeymoon. I tried talking Jenny into dumping him and moving in with me, but both my wife and Justin objected to that line of reasoning. Anyway finding a gal that's pretty, smart and loves to hunt is a one in a million thing. I'm taking their wedding pix in June.
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If you are going to use factory loaded 150's in a 300 win mag, I would look at ammo that is loaded with Barnes X bullets, or Nosler Partitions or something that is noted for staying together.

However for larger animals like elk, I would have to agree with the others and go with the 180's and again, don't waste an expensive elk hunt on cheap bullets. You owe number one to the Elk and number two to yourself to spend a little extra on decent ammo.

I myself hunt whitetails with 165 grain interbonds or SST's from Hornady, however when I get my reloading equipment and bench in the future, I will be loading some of everything to try
and if I werre going elk hunting I would definitely go up to the 180's.

The other option is the 7mm mag, my dad has killed so many whitetails I lost count with his, and had 3 mule deer with it. I am afraid that a 270 will end up being a little small for that elk hunt, unless you want to get yourself a 270 weatherby magnum, however factory ammo for that will make you go broke in a hurry.
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