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Old 02-19-2009, 08:59 PM
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.300 Ultra Mag Vs .300 Win Mag


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I was just told by the next door neighbor that the .300 win mag is no good and neither is the .375 H&H, because they were belted mags. Any one else hear logic like that? He just bought guess what a .300 Ultra Mag. I said well youngster the critters I kilt never knew the difference and then he told me that I have old timer guns and shoot old timer calibers. Man I laughed when he told me how good he's doing with his new gun, bore sighted at Bi-Mart. I offered to help. He said the barrels got to to be bent cause it does not hit where it's aiming. Man I would love to be 20 again. I told him I earned these grays hairs, and each time I get a new one it means I am getting more wisdom. Just cause were old don't mean we be dumb, I didn't this age by accident. Well maybe I did? I'd like to think its by GRACE!
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Old 02-20-2009, 01:36 AM
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The difference is the ultra burns more powder, shoots faster, more recoil, harder to find brass, even harder to pay for it. I have one of each. Both wonderful. Both inherently accurate. Both deadly and suited for any game animal in North America.

No good? I can't think of a caliber that's no good! That's just not right.
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Old 02-20-2009, 07:03 AM
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Just one reply the 375 H & H has been around for many many years if it is so bad why is it still one of the most sought after calibers for heavy skinned game? I never had a Moose, Elk or Bear get up and ask me if it was belted or ultra.
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Old 02-20-2009, 07:16 AM
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I spent a lot years behind the 300 Win mag and it's precursor the 308 Norma mag and they seemed to work quite well. However if I were going to buy a new magnum today it would be a 300 Ultra or 375 Ultra simply because of the velocity gain.

No use not moving ahead when technology steps in. My friends 300 Ultra-mags shoot a 180 gran bullet at 3380 fps from an under 7 pound package and with the muzzle brake on it recoil is no more than a light 308. I don't see a down side to upgrading if your in the new rifle market.



The best velocity I could get consistantly from my 308 Norma or 300 Win mag was 3150 with the 180. That's no slouch and killed well, but why not have the flatter trajectory!

As far as killing power I doubt any animal on earth could tell the difference between any of them including the 375's.
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Old 02-20-2009, 07:23 AM
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Right on Bob there are so many good calibers out there both old and new and just so little time to try them all.
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You shooting grizzlies at 400yds?
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Old 02-20-2009, 10:37 AM
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I like my 300 RUM. Just remember to save all the brass. I have like 80 brass for reloading. The only issue is using over 100 grains of powder in some loads...
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Old 02-20-2009, 11:26 AM
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You shooting grizzlies at 400yds?
No, but it's quite possible even with the 300 Win mag. My friend has shot several deer and elk at over 600 yards with his 300 Ultra. I shoot an 8mm Rem magnum and killed one large Grizzly in Alaska at 390 yards with a 220 grain Sierra Game King at a measured velocity of 3080 fps.

There's certainly no reason not to shoot the flattest shooting guns today. The same argument can be applied to computers. Why use older slower computers when high speed ones area available.
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Old 02-20-2009, 11:55 AM
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No doubt... I like flat shooters, too. I've just been working down in recoil over the years. My first self-purchased rifle was a .30-06, next was a .270, and my next rifle (hopefully putting the order in sometime in the next couple/few weeks) will be a 6.5x55 and I hope to start reloading sometime soon as well Of course, I've never hunted anything larger than whitetails at maximum ranges of 300yds so I've never needed large calibers or magnum loads.
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Talking Not good calibers..?

If the animal dies when your rifle goes bang, its probably a good caliber, however the Ultra Mag does have a few advantages over the belted magnums, Ive shot both with good results, but the ultra will win in the velocity category every time, and they have been deadly accurate since the headspacing is now on the shoulder an not on the belt, but the 300 win mag has proven its own accuracy over the years and theres no reason to question its ability.....people have been downing the 220 swift for years because its and "old" cartridge, yet it still beats pretty much anything you can bring to the prairie dog fields....."new" doesnt always mean "good" or "better"....."old" doesnt always mean "out-dated" or "worn-out"......the guy who stated that the 300 win mag and 375hh were "no good" probably has lots of opinions on things that he has no idea about.....just an observation.....
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Old 02-21-2009, 04:08 AM
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Big Bears

For hunting the bigger bears,depending on method used to hunt,and your guides reccomendations,I would personally want as much "stand off" distance as possible.

As a guide I would want/look for:
* a good,instinctive,shooter
* carring great quality equipment
* shooting the largest caliber that he/she could constantly hit with

As a guide,the caliber that I would be comfortable with,for my sport, would definately be well over .308. Probably starting at .338 and advanceing upward from there. I own a .30-378 and would not even think about taking it on a big bear hunt.

Knowing for sure that you would catch the bear on the extremely open tundra is one thing. A first shot hit with the bear within 50yds of the thick alders would be another.

Lots of variables here. The above,IMO. ----pruhdlr
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Old 02-21-2009, 01:08 PM
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I was just told by the next door neighbor that the .300 win mag is no good and neither is the .375 H&H, because they were belted mags. Any one else hear logic like that? He just bought guess what a .300 Ultra Mag.
That's too much. His cousin or brother lives at the end of our street! LOL I agree with
Pegleg08 If the animal dies when your rifle goes bang, its probably a good caliber
"new" doesnt always mean "good" or "better"....."old" doesnt always mean "out-dated" or "worn-out"......the guy who stated that the 300 win mag and 375hh were "no good" probably has lots of opinions on things that he has no idea about.....just an observation.....
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Old 02-21-2009, 01:17 PM
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No, but it's quite possible even with the 300 Win mag. My friend has shot several deer and elk at over 600 yards with his 300 Ultra. I shoot an 8mm Rem magnum and killed one large Grizzly in Alaska at 390 yards with a 220 grain Sierra Game King at a measured velocity of 3080 fps.

There's certainly no reason not to shoot the flattest shooting guns today. The same argument can be applied to computers. Why use older slower computers when high speed ones area available.

Bobs right! Why pass up on buying a newer, better, faster, GUN!!! We all want them. LOL Hey I'll even sell my new fast computer for one. Wait...uh..Oh yeah its for work. Now I am definitely going to sell it!!!
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Old 02-09-2010, 11:24 PM
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Personaly I don't think you really have to know what's better if you are comfortable with one 300 Win Mag OR A 300 RUM Either or you will do fine with Any game in North America 220 grain bullet in either you can take anything from coyotes to Big Alaskan Brownies i said this before shot placement is everything and heck i've said this before 2 i sometimes shoot deer with 55 Grain 22-250 and plant them last years probaly 275lbs probaly does'nt help but just thought i would trough that in and yes the 375 or the 338 mags would be just a litte better if you are going to hunt in alaska for life or resided there but for me i live in NE and would'nt hesitate to go shoot a big brownie with my 300 WIN MAG with a 220 grain Bullet for that case or 2 of the big 5 but african dangerous game says you need a 375 buy law to hunt them but here in the good old usa personaly just opion 300 WIN MAG Cost af ammo is a hair lower to and easier to find

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For the reloader, the Ultra is the way to go. I have always been fond of my belted mags, but owning an Ultra Mag has changed my outlook.
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A 300 Ultra with a 30" barrel set up to shoot 240 SMK's with a BC of .711 and a starting velocity of around 3000 FPS is a tremendous long range rifle
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Old 02-10-2010, 11:33 AM
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A 300 Ultra with a 30" barrel set up to shoot 240 SMK's with a BC of .711 and a starting velocity of around 3000 FPS is a tremendous long range rifle

A 30" Lilja 1 in 9 twist. That would be fun with those 240's. But I believe if you are going custom barrel on a Remington, go ahead and do the .338 Edge and kick some Lapua butt with the 300gr MK's
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I read this googling "Ultra-mags": "In field test the .340 Wby clearly out performs the 300 Ultra mag, .338 Win mag. and even rivals the larger .375 H&H providing a much flatter shooting harder hitting performance."

Not sure if it is totally true or not, but it makes sense. If you are going to put up with the increased recoil of a .300 RUM. You might as well get the .340 Wby. A .30 cal bullet (my favorite caliber) is still a .30 cal no matter how fast you drive it. If we are bringing big bears into the conversation, it seems a .338, .35, or .375 bullet is superior.
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A 30" Lilja 1 in 9 twist. That would be fun with those 240's. But I believe if you are going custom barrel on a Remington, go ahead and do the .338 Edge and kick some Lapua butt with the 300gr MK's


Th 338 Edge and 338 Laupa are ballistic twins usauly 2800 to 2850 depending on the rifle for both with the 300 grai SMK
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I was just told by the next door neighbor that the .300 win mag is no good and neither is the .375 H&H, because they were belted mags. Any one else hear logic like that? He just bought guess what a .300 Ultra Mag. I said well youngster the critters I kilt never knew the difference and then he told me that I have old timer guns and shoot old timer calibers. Man I laughed when he told me how good he's doing with his new gun, bore sighted at Bi-Mart. I offered to help. He said the barrels got to to be bent cause it does not hit where it's aiming. Man I would love to be 20 again. I told him I earned these grays hairs, and each time I get a new one it means I am getting more wisdom. Just cause were old don't mean we be dumb, I didn't this age by accident. Well maybe I did? I'd like to think its by GRACE!
His neighbor needs to tell the Military before they convert too many M24's into 300 Win Mags, he could save them alot of grief.

I think the 300 Ultra is a great round & would look at one if I did not own a 300 Mag & was in the process of buying one. However I have a Sendero 300WM , which was a lam. stock limited run version & it shoots lights out.
I could easily have my 300 re-chambered, but I don't see it happening.
So for me now, if I want more long range punch, I would go to an 338Edge or Lapua.
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