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Old 06-24-2009, 09:26 AM
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Help... .223 vs .243, and scope help (newbie here)


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Ok, I got some .223 ammo lying around, but not .223.

Funny, huh?

Well, I wanna buy a .223 just to shoot the stuff. I bought a BSA Sweet .243 scope (it was on clearance for $40!!!!!) that automatically adjusts to all ranges from 100-400 yards by turn the turret one way or the other, its' already marked off. I'm sure it won't be dead nuts, but it should be close. It beats paying $140 more for the Sweet .223 scope...

First of all, anyone use a scope like this, if so, how do you like it?

Secondly, I'm gonna buy just an H&R Single Shot .223 with a heavy barrel. It's all I need, and it's cheap.

Here's the thing, a .223 has a little more arch to it's trajectory when compared to a .243 (according to remingtons ballistic charts), which i was a little surprised by. I thought the .223 would shoot flatter.

Will the scope I got work? It should... well.. it's gonna have to, lol.

How lethal is a .223 round? I know it's all about shot placement, but it's more than capable of taking a coyote at 300 yards with a pretty good shot to the chest cavity? I would probably have to use hollow points or something to get good expansion, but it's plenty lethal for that ain't it?

Thanks for the input guys. I'm more or less worried if the scope is gonna work, i'm sure the 223 will do all I need it to do (kills coyotes, and other varmits).

Thanks!!!
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Old 06-24-2009, 09:53 AM
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Sounds like a good enough reason to buy a 223. The 223 is plenty strong enough for coyotes at 300 yards. I shoot both the 223 and 243. I have not used the 243 much for varmint hunting. The scope should be close for both guns using light bullets in the 243. With a little testing you should be able to figure out exactly where each shoots to a particular setting. I know several folks who use the H&R single shots with good success.
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Old 06-24-2009, 02:00 PM
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The 223 is a great varmint round and particularly effective on coyotes. I suspect the 223 might be less expensive than the 243. I am not a big fan of BSA scopes but the light recoil of the 223 probably won't damage the scope. Good shooting!
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I have one of the sweet 17 scopes its 0k for the price, optic are fair. Unless you are really stretching out your shots you won't see enough difference in the trajectory to notice it between the .223 and .243
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as for how lethal the .223 is, take 6 ammo cans fill them with water,line 3 of them up side by side. Then take the other 3 and do the same about 2ft to the side. Shoot the first 3 with a 147gr FMJ .308 NATO round then shoot the other 3 with a .223 NATO round. Then write me back and tell me what you think about the little bullet...........
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Old 06-24-2009, 07:27 PM
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Oh,sorry do this at 50 -60 yrds.
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Old 06-24-2009, 08:24 PM
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I have 4, 6-24 BSA scopes and they are all still working flawlessly and I'm none to easy on scopes. One is on a .243 in 700VLS, 2 are on .223 bolt guns and the other is on a .222. Yeah, they get dark at around 20-22 power but what hi-power scope doesn't? Optics are what you pay for and IMO, the BSA's, for the price aren't half bad. One thing I'm disapointed in is they've quit making the 6-24X50 Contender scope. Two of the four I have are these scopes and they are pretty bright and clear.

I regularly splatter pdogs out past 400 yards with my .223's. Not every time to be sure but it can be done on a regular basis, like 7 of 10 times.

The Handi rifle is supposed to be a good shooter from what I've read and heard, but I can't say because I've never been around one.

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as for how lethal the .223 is, take 6 ammo cans fill them with water,line 3 of them up side by side. Then take the other 3 and do the same about 2ft to the side. Shoot the first 3 with a 147gr FMJ .308 NATO round then shoot the other 3 with a .223 NATO round. Then write me back and tell me what you think about the little bullet...........
I don't have a .308

I bought the .223 already

which one makes the bigger mess or whatever?

I do enjoy the gun, a fun little booger to shoot, and not much in the way of recoil. Really pleasant shooter, about like shooting a 22 mag or something, i'm surprised.

it's a NEF Single Shot .223 with the heavy bull barrel, some scope and rings and whatever that came on it, and a hammer extension. pretty nice, good enough for me, and only 300$ for it all! woohoo!
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Old 06-28-2009, 08:34 AM
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I still have a 6-18x40 Bushnell Trophy mounted on a 9lb 300 Win Mag. It is surviving just fine. I can get sub MOA groups with it when I do my part.



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I have 4, 6-24 BSA scopes and they are all still working flawlessly and I'm none to easy on scopes. One is on a .243 in 700VLS, 2 are on .223 bolt guns and the other is on a .222. Yeah, they get dark at around 20-22 power but what hi-power scope doesn't? Optics are what you pay for and IMO, the BSA's, for the price aren't half bad. One thing I'm disapointed in is they've quit making the 6-24X50 Contender scope. Two of the four I have are these scopes and they are pretty bright and clear.

I regularly splatter pdogs out past 400 yards with my .223's. Not every time to be sure but it can be done on a regular basis, like 7 of 10 times.

The Handi rifle is supposed to be a good shooter from what I've read and heard, but I can't say because I've never been around one.

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Old 06-28-2009, 09:09 AM
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Sngehl01,

I wouldn't waste good ammo cans that I need for storing things in, but I expect the drama of the demonstration is the point. The little bullet is easily turned in a fluid so it winds up dumping a much higher portion of its energy in the can than the big bullet does. The latter tends to go straight through, retaining more of its energy. You can see the effect shooting at plastic bottles of water, though it's more impressive to see a steel can bent up by the expansion.

Note that neither bullet in the demo is an expanding type, and the arguments about which is better in combat usually don't have to do with killing power in a direct shot. They have to do with which bullet does better at killing after having first passed through cinder blocks or mud bricks. That and long range engagement.

Your scope should be fine for something the size of Coyote's to 300 yards. Note that you can play with your bullet and load selection a bit to get a best match to the .243 trajectory. You'll need to know the corrections to hit something the size of Prarie Dogs, but not the Coyote's, I should think.
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thanks for all the help.

one more question

what steps should i take in properly caring for my gun? I shot about 40 shots today. Just regular ol .223 ammo.

What is standard procedure for shooting, i would shoot at most 4-5 shells in the span of a minute, usually I rest the barrel between shots for 30-40 seconds.

i'm not gonna burn the barrel up pouring the bullets through it am I? Can I shoot as fast as I can load them, or should I wait?

Also, what is standard cleaning procedure (how much, how often, and how??)

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Old 06-29-2009, 12:34 AM
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I wouldn't bother trying to match the 243 ballistics. Just paint over one of the included 243 turrets or order an extra from BSA for $11 and paint over it. Then fire whatever you use and put your own markings on the turret.

Don't worry about BSA haters either. I just put a new Marlin 243 with a CHEAP Simmons scope (that the BSA puts to shame) up against my brother's $1000+ Rifle/scope combo and schooled the man.
The Simmons was supposed to go on my .22 but the Sweet .243 hadn't arrived yet.
The Simmons is cheaper than I'd go ($30 and distorted) but the cross hairs seemed to put the bullets in the right place. I'm sure the BSA will do the same and without distortion.
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anyone with any input about cleaning procedures and how often to do it?

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ttt someone please answer question(s) about cleaning.
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And I was about to suggest, there is a 'search' feature on the forum and I know the topic has been covered many times.....
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I clean my rifles every 20 rounds or so sometimes, and then sometimes I wait longer. It really doesnt matter until accuracy starts to diminish.
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Cleaning is purpose driven. If you participate in service rifle matches, you may have to fire 80 rounds plus sighters without an opportunity to clean the gun. Sniper schools have you clean once every 10 rounds during training, IME. You clean every round when verifying your cold barrel POI. These are geared toward first shot accuracy from a clean barrel, and if you are hunting you want to know where that is, too. And your second and your third in case follow-up shots are needed. Some guns change POI a lot during the first two or three rounds, while others don't change much.
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