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Old 07-03-2009, 08:18 PM
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7mm mag vs 30-06


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Forgive me, but I'm just trying to learn. . .


7mm mag goes about 200 fps faster in the same length barrel, the 30-06 uses bigger bullets (so wikipedia says)?

7mm takes the 06 in flat shooting? Out to what range when the heavier bullet helps more?

06 takes the 7mm in stopping power due to larger bullet?

Is either round inherently more accurate?

Is either round more desireable for punching paper? At longer range?

Factory ammo availability for either? Easier to find quality 06 than 7mm?


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Old 07-03-2009, 10:24 PM
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Wow.. You REALLY need to go buy a reloading manual, and read everything EXCEPT the loading data in the book first. That will give you most all of your answers.

But the answers are:
1: 06 does have Larger Diameter bullets, .308" instead of .284"
2: "7mm takes the 06 in flat shooting? Out to what range when the heavier bullet helps more?" Well, what do you mean takes it? in regard to energy, or flatter trajectory?? depends on the bullets compared, and loads.
3: Stopping power?? Basic physics answer here, Mass X Velocity Squared = Energy. Larger bullets don't mean squat by themselves.
4: Inherent accuracy is a complete and utter function of the gun, it's assembly, and cartridge loading care.
5: Desireable for punching paper... That is a complete judgement call for you only. Do you care how much powder each shot will consume? Is recoil difference a factor to you? From a purely physics standpoint obviously all you care is BC of the bullet and starting velocity.
6: the 06 has been around for 100 years, I dare you to NOT find it in the stores. The 7 has been here for about 50 years, but is also very popular. So this is a push.
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Old 07-04-2009, 02:53 AM
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im curious about how they compare also.. a friend went to a 7 mag to get more stop power than his 06.. if so ,,how much difference ,is there..
never fired a 7 mag so i was just wondering..slim
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Old 07-04-2009, 04:41 AM
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I believe that a .30-06 with 200 or 220 grain bullets would be a better "stopper" than any 7mm Mag.

The 7mm Rem is a better long range performer than the .30-06. If I was to own one gun it would be the .30-06 over the 7mm Mag. If I was shooting paper, it would be neither of those rounds and any of several smaller calibers.
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Old 07-04-2009, 04:45 AM
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there is virtually no difference in the field or on paper between the 7mm rem mag and the 30-06. for equal bullet weights the the 7mm has a higher sectional density, which gives it a theoretical edge for penetration, but the 06 has bullets of greater weight available and the corresponding higher sectional density. cartridges don't start edging out the 30-06 until you start looking at cartridges in the .300 win mag class or above.

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Old 07-04-2009, 05:00 AM
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Well the 7mm burns about 20% more powder I shoot a 160gr Nosler partition out of mine and it shoots flatter than any 30-06. It shoots fast and is very accurate. The 30-06 is the number 1 elk cartridge in the world. Both have a really good selection of bullets. With todays bullets and powders and more accurate rifles than we have ever had before, The chances are pretty good if you had both that you would probably not be able to tell which performed better. Especially if you used a bullet drop compensating scope like the Zeiss Rapid z series or the Leupold Boone & Crockett.
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Old 07-04-2009, 05:00 AM
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For ammo availiblity, 30-06 hands down. You can find it everywhere, and it's been the number one selling caliber. It's the "rifleman's one rifle". 52 grain accelerators to 220 grains. It'll take anything in the lower 48. Federal alone had 17 different 30-06 loads. A lot of people buy lighter bullets for long range hunting for more speed and less bullet drop, but it is backwards. Heavy bullets are the medicine for longer ranges, as it starts out slower, but can be traveling faster than a light bullet at long range.
Here's a ballistic table to look at.
http://www.remington.com/products/am...on/ballistics/
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Old 07-04-2009, 08:05 AM
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Note that a 180gr. bullet in the .30-06 has near identical ballistics to a 175gr. bullet in the 7mm Mag.

Draw your own conclusions.....
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Old 07-04-2009, 08:22 AM
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I have one buddy who takes an elk almost every year w/ his 7mm Rem mag. Another uses 220 grain 30-06 loads and does well.

Personally, I think they are all pretty much the same until you move up to the 33's and especially the 35's.
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Old 07-04-2009, 08:52 AM
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It depends

I have both 7mm Remington magnum and .30-06 rifles. Whatever you shoot with either cartridge will never know the difference. Both are accurate and powerful. My preference would be the .280 Remington since I do not really like belted cartridges. Take care...
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Old 07-04-2009, 09:17 AM
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My old shooting partner has been shooting a 7mm Rem mag in a Savage 110 for more than 20 years now. He just replaced it with a new Savage 7mm Rem mag with the Accu-trigger. He's killed a pile of elk and deer with his 7's and will probably be shooting it til he's done shooting for good.

I think you'll find it a good rifle and a great cartridge. Shoots as flat as the 300 Win mag and with about the same recoil as an 06. He shoots 175 grain Grand Slams for elk and 140 grain bullets for deer.

I'll let Bob take this one
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Old 07-04-2009, 10:35 AM
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You could be happy with either round. Both of them will accomplish the same thing at the same ranges.
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well thats good info.. i think my soninlaw went to 7 mag from 06 to increase knock down power ... i won t tell him what you guys said..
so he will continue to think he moved up...as for me the 30 06 with good cushion is all i would want this old frame to endure.. my days of shooting hard kicking shotguns an such are over,, slim
try a magnum 12 ga in a light mossberg with no cushion... that is if you are into enduring pain.whew thats a day i won t forget..
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Old 07-04-2009, 12:17 PM
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Slim, the 7 Mag is an up step from the -06. That was it's reason for being.
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Old 07-04-2009, 12:48 PM
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The 7 mm is a tiny step up if any at all. It may have more SD but 180 grain 30-06 at 2,850 +/- fps drops about 7.5 inches and a 170 grain 7 mm at 2,850 +/- fps drops about the same at 300 yards. As a practical matter the 30-06 is every bit the caliber the 7mm is so I don't get why this is even a "debate." For a 100 plus year old cartridge the 30-06 is a great round and is not surpassed by the 7mm. Six of one and half a dozen of another.
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Old 07-04-2009, 02:20 PM
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Is any deer/piece of paper ever going to be able to tell?
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Old 07-04-2009, 02:47 PM
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No - there really is no difference.
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Old 07-04-2009, 03:18 PM
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<TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=630><TBODY><TR><TD>Cartridge Information
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</TD></TR><TR><TD>Velocity (ft/sec)
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</TD></TR><TR><TD>Energy (ft-lbs)
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</TD></TR><TR><TD>Short-Range Trajectory
<TABLE style="WIDTH: 630px; BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; FONT-SIZE: xx-small" id=DataGrid4 border=1 rules=all cellSpacing=0><TBODY><TR style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><TD>Cartridge Type</TD><TD>Bullet</TD><TD>50</TD><TD>100</TD><TD>150</TD><TD>200</TD><TD>250</TD><TD>300</TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: gainsboro"><TD>Premier® Scirocco™ Bonded</TD><TD>150 SSB</TD><TD>0.1</TD><TD>0.7</TD><TD>zero</TD><TD>-2.0</TD><TD>-5.3</TD><TD>-10.2</TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white"><TD>Premier® Scirocco™ Bonded</TD><TD>150 SSB</TD><TD>0.0</TD><TD>0.5</TD><TD>zero</TD><TD>-1.6</TD><TD>-4.3</TD><TD>-8.2</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
</TD></TR><TR><TD>Long-Range Trajectory
<TABLE style="WIDTH: 630px; BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; FONT-SIZE: xx-small" id=DataGrid5 border=1 rules=all cellSpacing=0><TBODY><TR style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><TD>Cartridge Type</TD><TD>Bullet</TD><TD>100</TD><TD>150</TD><TD>200</TD><TD>250</TD><TD>300</TD><TD>400</TD><TD>500</TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: gainsboro"><TD>Premier® Scirocco™ Bonded</TD><TD>150 SSB</TD><TD>1.6</TD><TD>1.5</TD><TD>zero</TD><TD>-2.9</TD><TD>-7.3</TD><TD>-21.1</TD><TD>-42.3</TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white"><TD>Premier® Scirocco™ Bonded</TD><TD>150 SSB</TD><TD>1.3</TD><TD>1.2</TD><TD>zero</TD><TD>-2.3</TD><TD>-5.9</TD><TD>-17.0</TD><TD>-34.0</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
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Old 07-04-2009, 05:16 PM
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Tang, you've just shown that the 7 Mag gets you more recoil, and with most bolt action rifles you give up one round in the magazine.
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He also picked the smaller 150 grain bullet. With 180 grain and 170 grain there is little difference. The 7 mm is better with smaller bullets I will admit but it cannot go to 200 grains or more like the 30-06.
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