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Old 07-29-2003, 11:04 AM
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I'm thinking of having a M700 rebarelled to 250 Savage, possibly the Ackley since the dies are not too bad from Redding. This rifle will be primarily for my wife, but I imagine I might squeeze the trigger on it a few times. If anyone here has used this cartridge on deer sized game, I'd like to know your impression of it's performance. I already know about the .257 Roberts and the Ackley version. The .250 fills the bill here, I'm not real big into downloading larger cartridges to get the performance level I'm after. This rifle would not be called upon to shoot beyond 200yds, if that, for medium size game.
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Old 07-29-2003, 12:34 PM
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Well, sort of, but not exactly....

Looking at the Hodgdon data for the .250, and comparing it with my chrono'd velocities in the .257 Roberts, they are quite close.

Hodgdon lists a test barrel length of 26" for the .250 and my .257 is only 22". So that's part of the explanation.

Anyway... none of my .257 load are real hot. 100gr. Cor-Lokt at about 2800-2900 fps, which is a surprisingly tough bullet and will shoot through hogs (a .30 cal 180gr. Ballistic Tip won't, by comparison). Also shot one deer (small doe) through the lungs, the deer ran about 20 or 30 yards and tipped over dead, so the bullet is opening up OK on lighter game too.

By the way these Cor-Lokts had been in my father-in-law's basement for an undetermined amount of time (possibly decades) before I got them. No telling how old they were or if current bullets would perform the same.

On the varmit side, a 75gr. Sierra HP at anything over 3,000fps just wrecks prairie dogs.

I used Varget for both loads. Like I said they really aren't max, but both will group under an inch and in a happy coincidence, point of impact at 100 yards is pretty close. I guess that part is just luck.

By the way... if you have a stubbon 'dog who won't show anything but whiskers out the top of the hole, the 100gr. Cor-Lokt will easily remove both the top of the mound and most of the dog. Aim right at the base of the mound... works great! Careful about ricochets, though.

Shot some gallon milk jugs filled with water, at 500 yards once. Brother-in-law and I took 19 shots to hit the 3 jugs, some of that ammo finding the range of course. The bullets (100gr. Solid Base) didn't open up enough to 'splat' the jugs and it was kind of hard to tell when we hit them. But all 3 jugs had holes in them when the box was empty. Shot over the hood of my Bronco using a sack of feed for a rest. Scope was a VX-III 3.5x10. Gun is a Ruger 77.

The .250 ought to be just as much fun. Good choice.
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Old 07-29-2003, 08:02 PM
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That's a real nice caliber for anyone, let alone the little woman. I have a Savage 99 (1941 mf'g) in this cartridge. Haven't shot it for years at game, but the last time used at the range it was still getting respectible groups. My older brother used it to take a couple of smaller West Texas whitetails years ago at about 250 yds each - they didn't go far.

The AI should boost it up considerably due to the extreme taper of the case. I would suppose it would well put it into the .257 Rob'ts class with no trouble - and, that has been a fine deer cartridge since inception!
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Old 07-29-2003, 08:29 PM
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Well, I kind of have experience with the .250 on Game. 2 years I shot a white-tail with my .250 Sav Encore. The deer dropped to the shot then got up and ran off. I tried for 2 days to find him. As near as I can figure I hit him too high and too far back. Shocked the spine, causing him to drop, but doing no mortal damage. Needless to say I was about sick over that all winter.
Anyway, about the .250. Like I said I have a 16 1/4" T/C Custom Shop barrel for my Encore. I really like the caliber. I shoot 75 gr V-Max for varmints and 100 gr Ballistic Tips for Deer. I don't use B-Tips in any of my other calibers except the .350 Rem Mag (supposed to be a stouter bullet). I chose the B-Tips for my .250 because I figured with the short barrel I really wouldn't be pushing them fast enough to blow up and they should expand, again at mt lower velocity, where maybe a little stouter bullet wouldn't. My favorite powder for both weights has been H-380 giving excellent groups with both bullets though I don't think it is pushing them as fast as H-414 would. I hope you enjoy your .250 if you go through with the project.

BTW, the last tracks we found of that deer were 600 yards from where I shot and he was moving steadily uphill and away from water, which is the opposite of anything I have ever been told that a mortally hit deer will do. Sean
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Old 08-01-2003, 12:43 PM
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I have a buddy of mine that has a Rugar 77 in 250 savage. He hunted with it for years and to this day is the only bolt action rifle he will still use. (He is more into the single shots and original rifles of the late 1800's)

I have shot that rifle many times and love it. I told him if he ever wants to get rid of it to let me know. The rifle and round is a nail driver. Thst caliber is great on deer and as long as you can shoot, you will drop your deer. (Just like any caliber, you must be able to hit where you're aiming.) If I'm not mistaken, that 250 Savage and the 25/.06 are about the same. Both are great calibers for deer and such. If I wasn't so much into leverguns, I would probably own one by now, but I am a big fan of the 30/06. I think my favorite calibers for bolt action rifles would be:

30/06, 270, 280 rem., 25/06 and 250 Savage.

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Old 08-04-2003, 07:19 AM
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The 250Savage and the 25/06 are not the same ballistically.The 250 Savage and 257 Roberts are closer.The the 25/06 is a couple steps ahead of them both.Handloaded the 250 Savage will go step for step with a handloaded 257Roberts,but never the 25/06.Also if you love levers like i do.Of course the 250 Savage comes in 18 different models of the M99 and the 257Roberts comes in Browning BLR-81.I have both of them.Here is the juice on ballistics.

87gr factory
250Sav 3030fps-1770fpe
257Rob 3200fps-1980fpe
25/06 3500fps-2370fpe

100gr factory
250Sav 2820fps-1765fpe
257Rob 3000fps-1998fpe
25/06 3230fps-2316fpe

120gr Factory
250Sav 2645fpe-1865fpe
257Rob 2645fps-1865fpe
25/06 2940fps-2382fpe

To show you how hot the 250 Sav can go.Here are my handloads for my 24in M99 in 250Sav.

87gr Speer 3200fps( source Sierra)
100gr Nosler 2900fps(source Conley)
115gr Nosler 2800fps(source Conley)
117gr Hornady 2700fps(source Hornady)

Here are the facts use them as you see fit.

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Old 08-04-2003, 07:32 AM
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Levergun,
you can get a levergun in .250 Savage. It's the Savage M99.
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Old 09-01-2003, 04:56 PM
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Looks like your a man after my own heart. A 250 Sav. AI has been on my wish list for some time now. Let me know what becomes of it. Also, how 'bout 75gn fp at 1800 for small game, same rifle? EH??
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Old 09-01-2003, 10:57 PM
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I had the action for this project rifle slip through my fingers a few weeks ago. I've still got my eyes open. The first short action M700BDL I see for $300 is going to get snapped up if it has the larger boltface. If I can find a M70, all the better, just in case my wife doesn't like it . I can find 700 ADL's all day for $300, but the BDL is a little trickier. I'd like to hold the project to $1k, 300 for the action, 400 for the rebarrel,leaving another $300 for dies and a decent inletted stock, I should be able to do it. I can do it for less if I start with a M700 Classic with a good stock. I was thinking of finishing a nice piece of wood for it though, my wife likes "pretty" guns, has distaste for my stainless/synthetic tendencies.

Now that I think about it, she has distaste for more than just my taste in guns.

To make matters more complicated..She learned to shoot with a 6mm 788 I've got that will easily lay three shots under a nickle with a decent load.

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Old 10-12-2006, 05:18 AM
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I killed my largest bodied deer here in South Carolina (Foothills). He was a 4.5 year old 8 point weighing 190 pounds. I shot him through the neck in front of the shoulder angling back toward the rear of the opposite shoulder. He kicked a couple of times but that was it. I shoot the model 99 in 250 Savage. I have killed about 20 deer with the rifle and never had one go over 30 yards. Like all shots, bullet placement is the key.

I use a 6mm remington now mostly in a 1960's era ADL that I've parkerized and refinished the stock on. ( I got rid of the shine-it has beautiful walnut.) It has a 2.5 lb trigger pull and that seems to make the difference. It shoots like it has eyes. I lost count of how many deer I've taken with it since 1989 when I got it. Most are less than 100 yards, but a few out to 200+.
The three calibers the wife and I use for deer are the .243 in the new accutrigger model 10 Savage ( hers), The 250 Savage in my old model 99 lever, and the 6mm in an old ADL. The deer we kill drop dead as a hammer and if resurrected I bet none of them could tell us which rifle, or bullet we used to shoot them with. By the way we shoot 100 grain core lokts in the 6mm and the .243 and Remington PSP in the .250. I killed my early deer with the .250 savage and 117 grain boat tail handloads whipped up by a friend. I killed several decent bucks with 100 grain factory loads however.

We are both recoil sensitive and we found that a good trigger, a well placed shot, and light recoil do the trick for us.

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Old 10-12-2006, 04:47 PM
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I've got a Ruger M77 RSI in .250 Savage. It is very effective on deer with the 115 gr Nosler Partition, even out of the 18" barrel of the RSI. The velocities are right at 2400 f/s with the 115 gr NP, and accuracy is 1.5 MOA. It's actually sub MOA with this bullet at less than 2300 f/s in some of the loads I worked up, but I was looking for the highest velocity with acceptable accuracy with this bullet.

I like the idea of chambering your rifle in the .250 AI, as this is equivalent to the factory .25-06, given the same barrel lengths, and much superior to the .243 Winchester. I wanted to build up a Model 7 Remington in this caliber, but couldn't find a reasonably priced action; then the M77 came along. I've been considering having it rechambered and set back for the AI, but haven't done so yet.

You can use reduced loads in it as well, for varmints and smaller game. I'm using the 60 gr and 75 gr FP's at 16-1800 f/s with SR 4759 and polyfill, and it works very well on the aforementioned critters. Good luck with your project.
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If you fellas take a close look, this thread is over 3 years old. Steve no longer posts on this board, so you'll be waiting a long time for a response.
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Old 10-13-2006, 07:30 AM
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Thanks, I'm new so duh huh. I just noticed the dates after your response. I'm going hunting for the weekend, the bucks are moving, it's perfect weather and I guess it made me stupid. lol.
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Doh! Lack of attention to detail.
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250 is a darn good cartridge, can be used on everything from Prarie Poodles to Elk. I have two of them, a 99 a with a 1-10 twist and an 1899 Model 250-3000 with a 1-14 twist. The A stabilizes everything from the 75 gr Sierras to these 130 gr HP I got from a guy in Canada. You just have to be able to call your shot. I don't take 300 yards shots. I like to be up close and personal on big game, no prarie poodles just seem to fall apart with the 75 grainers. Why use a low velocity load wiith light bullets, Mine do quite well at about 3100 FPS.

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The factory 250 Savage has a better reputation for accurasy than the PO Ackley version. Some have even stated the Improved version is anything but an improvement.

The original factory loading featured an 87 grain bullet at 3000 fps. Hunters from Alaska to India were impressed with it. Animals shot through the ribs at reasonable distances fell over quickly. Years later Savage increased weight to 100 grains. But the handloader can load Speer's 87 grain hot core bullets which is designed for deer sized game.

If it were me, I'd not change the chambering. If looking for higher velocity, I'd load the Speer bullet.
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