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Old 09-15-2009, 07:19 PM
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Hi Folks ,

I've been out of hunting for a few years and just deciding to get back into it. I have , for no apparent reason, taken a liking to the 35 whelen. I'm not all that fond of bolt action rifles. I have owned several a ruger 77 in 270 and an oooold 6mm remington that I can't even recall the model number on anymore (had a ventilated rib). While I liked those rifles I liked my BLR in 308 a lot better. Since I can't seem to find a lever rifle or a pump rifle in 35 whelen I have been considering the remington 750. I have found some Double Tap rounds that have some pretty impressive ballistic numbers..BUT...I am wondering if the Remington can handle these as they area bit more potent than what Remington sells for ammo

DoubleTap Ammunition 35 Whelen 310 Grain Woodleigh
Muzzle Velocity: 2300 fps
Muzzle Energy: 3641 ft. lbs.
DoubleTap Ammunition 35 Whelen 250 Grain Jacketed Soft Point
Muzzle Velocity: 2600 fps
Muzzle Energy: 3754 ft. lbs.
DoubleTap Ammunition 35 Whelen 200 Grain Barnes Triple-Shock X Bullet Lead-Free
Muzzle Velocity: 2850 fps
Muzzle Energy: 3607 ft. lbs.

Anyone have any thoughts on this or any experience ? I doubt I will ever hunt giant brown bear..but I'd like to have a go at Moose and possibly take a trip to Africa in a few years.
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Old 09-15-2009, 07:41 PM
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I have a Remington 750 carbine in 35 Whelen. Excellent rifle!

Can't say for sure but I would guess that if that ammo is loaded to SAAMI standards (Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers' Institute), it might be ok to use in this rifle.

Better to consult the ammo manufacturer to be sure.
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Old 09-15-2009, 09:08 PM
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I would email or call Double Tap before using it... some of the heavier stuff might be too long for the magazine on the 750.
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Old 09-16-2009, 06:14 AM
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I nhave a 750 in 308 and have had no issues at all with it. When I got it, I got into a discussion on another forum about the powders to use, and the general rule of thumb is to stay away from Slow burning powders. But, Remington themselves told me ALL their 750s are rated to shoot ANY FACTORY ammo on the market. That would also seem to mean the Hornady Light Mag, and Double Tap. The Whelen usually is loaded with medium to fast powders, so the gasport issues shouldn't be an issue.
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Old 09-16-2009, 11:04 AM
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Another thought before you make a purchase...

A Remington 7600 in 35 whelen is fairly easy to find online. There are 3 on Gunsamerica right now; two are under $750. Otherwise, many gunsmiths will rechamber a 35 remington to 35 whelen for <$200.

I dislike autos and have heard that these have very heavy triggers. I would take the extra effort to find a 7600 in whelen or make one.

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Old 09-16-2009, 11:15 AM
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All of Mike Mcnett's ammo is to SAAMI specs. Double Tap really is good stuff. But, I would treat it like Hornady Light and Heavy Mag ammo, which specifically says "Not for use in Semi-Auto's".
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Old 09-16-2009, 02:20 PM
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Mattsbox...Thanks for the insight. different lengths is not something I had thought check out. maybe the Ruger 77 would be better choice......

mogwai...Ya know...I KNEW that Remington had offered the 7600 in the whelen. I just could not find one locally so I talked myself out of it..I didn't know about the Gunbroker.com site nor the Gunsamerica site til I was reading some other threads on this site last night and of course read your post just now..Thanks for the help. I wonder if theres a practical way to maybe have a Browning BLR bored out to the whelen...Maybe something to check into anyway. I really loved the way my old BLR handled.

Tang...Thanks to you also. I appreciate the heads up.

Thanks to everyone else for your input. I appreciate it greatly !
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Old 09-16-2009, 03:24 PM
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Here is what I wrote to remington about the 750 and what they wrote back.


Hello Remington,
There have been discussions amoung some shooters that say the gasports on your 750 and other MGF semi-autos are only designed to handle about 12,000 CUPs? I don't believe you would make a gun that would be damaged by using ammo that is loaded with slower burning powders. I have a 750 Synthetic Carbine in 308 on layaway, so I don't believe this problem would effect my gun. I do know several guys who shoot 30-06s with H4831 and IMR 4350 in the cases. Will their semi-autos be junk in 700-1000 rounds because of the increased gas port pressures?

Thanks for your time.


Here is their reply.

"Thank you for contacting Remington. The 750 is made to handle factory based ammunition. However it is not so much the gas ports as it is the bolt assembly. But the 750 can properly shoot 700-1000 rounds without any problems. Please let us know if we can assist you with anything further."


Now what they mean by "700-1000 rounds with no problems" I don't know. Is that mentioned because I mentioned that quantity of shots? Does that mean it doesn't need to be torn down and given a complete gas-system cleaning until then? I did notice that Remington did not discount the use of Hornady Light Magnum loads in their gun. They just stated that they were designed to shoot factory based ammo. It sounds like to me that recoil velocities of the bolt are a bigger concern than the gas-port pressures with the 750.

What do you all think? Sounds to me like the 750 is safe to shoot with just about any sane ammo loaded by us or the factories
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Mattsbox...Thanks for the insight. different lengths is not something I had thought check out. maybe the Ruger 77 would be better choice......

mogwai...Ya know...I KNEW that Remington had offered the 7600 in the whelen. I just could not find one locally so I talked myself out of it..I didn't know about the Gunbroker.com site nor the Gunsamerica site til I was reading some other threads on this site last night and of course read your post just now..Thanks for the help. I wonder if theres a practical way to maybe have a Browning BLR bored out to the whelen...Maybe something to check into anyway. I really loved the way my old BLR handled.

Tang...Thanks to you also. I appreciate the heads up.

Thanks to everyone else for your input. I appreciate it greatly !
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I also have a 7400 in 35 Whelen that I've had for several years. I've only been firing handloaded ammo in this rifle. My standard load is 56.0gr of RE15 behind a 250gr bullet for a muzzle velocity of a bit over 2400fps. This load is safe in my particular rifle, can't say if it would be safe in another rifle of course.

I've fired probably about 500 to 600 rounds through it over the years. No issues with it as long as the chamber is kept clean. Keep an eye on the forend seal, it will eventually crack from disassembiy and re-assembly.

Also, the bolt dust cover will eventually crack and will jam the bolt open. This happened to mine one day at the range (luckily not while in the field). Recommended to replace the cover when a crack develops.
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mogwai.....Thanks for the help. I wonder if theres a practical way to maybe have a Browning BLR bored out to the whelen...Maybe something to check into anyway. I really loved the way my old BLR handled.
Curtis,
Browning makes the BLR short action in 358 win. I had an old one and have heard great things about the newer ones.

To get a whelen, you'll need a long action. I have heard mixed reviews about them, but have no firsthand experience. I don't know if they offer it in 35whelen
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Old 09-17-2009, 05:35 PM
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Thanks again folks for all the great replies. I have some things to think about now. I think I'll have some fun toying around with the different options y'all have brought to light.
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I have a 7400 in 270 win, and I shot a nice 8 pointer with it two years ago. I didn't buy this rifle to target shoot with, or any other high volume pursuit. I bought it to hunt with. That means MAYBE a box of shells a year. At that rate, I doubt my grandkids will be able to wear it out. The only trouble I've ever seen with these is when someone doesn't keep them clean. What this gun is exceptional at is shooting at running deer. Mine was running flat out, and the first three shots hit wood. Number four went through both lungs and took the top of the heart off. It happened so fast I doubt I could have done it with any other type of action. So the moral of the story is, buy any gun for it's intended purpose, maintain it properly, and it will serve you well. This is the only Remington I own out of about 40 guns, so I'm not really a Rem fan. However, this gun was priced right, in a caliber I like, and with an 18" barrel, great in the woods. If I took a nice BAR where I take this I would probably cry. YMMV
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Ammunition for 35 Whelen 750 Carbine

Any opinions on a good factory ammunition and/or handload for the 35 Whelen Carbine Remington 750. I read on Hornady's site that carbine length gas systems may not be ideal for Superformance ammunition. I think they were implying that the carbine 740/7400/750 guns may not be ideal for Superformance ammo. But maybe they were not including the 750 as the gas system is "improved".

I figure Remington ammo (200-250g) will work, but what about Hornady and 250g handloads (RE15)?
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Cap for deer you might look for a new 35Whelen load Barnes has out for 2012 in their VorTx ammo line. They are offering the 180TTSX for the Whelen. Orta be a shooter in the ol 35W!

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I purchased a couple of boxes of the Woodleigh 310gr soft nose and FMJ bullets and made up some loads. Although Woodleigh recommends these for barrels having a rate of twist of 1 in 14" or faster, my Remington 700 CDL (24" barrel), which has a 1 in 16" rate of twist, will stabilize the soft nose bullets as I got acceptable accuracy of 2" groups at 100yards (2375 fps MV). The FMJ's are longer than the soft nose bullets and would not stabilize.

Too bad my Remington 7400 and 750 carbine will not stabilize the 310gr bullets, very poor accuracy resulted.
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Old 03-27-2012, 02:46 AM
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35 whelen in 750 Remington carbine 18.5

Thanks for info. The Barnes 180 sounds very good, will try. Has anyone tried the Hornady Superformance? Hornady's sight implies that it may not function as well in a "carbine length" gas system. So does anyone know if the 750 carbine has a different gas system geometry than the 22" barrel model? The comments could be more referring to 308 Superformance ammo in military rifles (rather than the 750). I may get 1 box of Barnes 180, 1 box Hornady 250. Then I have plenty of brass. I can probably assume the green box remington will work (in 200g or 250g)
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Old 03-27-2012, 02:59 AM
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The carbine length gas systems has to do with the location of the gasport in relation to the chamber. If the Rem 750 carbines have the gasport in the same location as the rifle [which I believe they do] then the pressures at the gasport would be the same and the ammo should function.

As I stated earlier, Remington claims their 750 is rated for ANY factory ammo produced.
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Just to stir the pot. Do you think out of the carbine length barrel, that the difference in factory ammo and Double Tap will be significant for hunting?
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Just to stir the pot. Do you think out of the carbine length barrel, that the difference in factory ammo and Double Tap will be significant for hunting?
the Whelen tends to use faster burning powders because of the big hole in the barrel. Faster powders tend to see less velocity lose due to barrel lengths than slow powders.

In my 308win 750 carbine, I still get 2650-2750fps with 150-165gr bullets, so I don't see much of a handicap there.

In my model 7 carbine [18.5" barrel] I get 2700fps with 129gr bullets with little trouble, and my Marlin XS-7 carbine [18.25" barrel] mirrors alot of velocities listed in reloading manuals which use longer barrels.

Pick your bullets and powders wisely, and the deer will never know they were shot by a stubby barreled carbine.
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