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Old 09-25-2009, 01:40 AM
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Howa Axiom, what a nightmare.


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Hello all, long time lurker, first time poster. I am looking for a new rifle. The purpose of this rifle is to replace my current deer hunting rifle, shoot with my Shooting club and hunt. I want a .308 caliber and had decided to purchase the Howa Axiom after spending some time shooting the rifle in a .223 caliber.

I have had quite the experience with obtaining this rifle. The gun store that I purchased my last 8 guns through is whom I have been using to find this rifle. I wanted the Axiom in a .308 in the King's Desert Shadow Camouflage pattern with the Nikko Sterling Nighteater 4-16X44 scope. I began my search on June 10th, well ahead of this year's hunting season in hopes of getting a lot of trigger time with the rifle before taking it into the woods.

Two weeks (June 26th) after my initial "order" for the rifle I had not heard from me dealer so I gave him a call to check in on how the acquisition of the rifle was going. He told me he was having a difficult time locating the rifle. After the phone call it felt to me it was a lack of motivation on the dealerís side to get the rifle. I drove over to the dealer and gave them a $500.00 deposit and told my salesman (who I purchased my sonís shotgun, rifle and my last Sig Sauer from) and told him I would give him a $100.00 tip if he could focus on getting my rifle in quicker. At this point I really thought the gun would be in within a few weeks.

July 15th I call my salesman to find out about the status of my rifle (at this point you may have noticed that I am the only one actually making contact). I am told that they cannot get the rifle that the factory and wholesalers are out of them. My salesman promises me he will put pressure on his distributors and wholesalers. July 30th, I contact my salesman again, and with speaking with him I come to the conclusion that he has not made any further attempts to obtain the gun.

August 2nd I contact someone at Howa direct and ask him for help. He begins to help me by contacting dealers in his area and distributors in his area looking for the rifle. He is also checking with the factory to see when they will have rifles available. August 10th I go to my gun dealer and take my $500.00 deposit back as I feel it is doing no good at all.

August 11th I am told by the factory rep that they have stocks on the way back from being dipped and the actions are being dipped as we speak and I should look at getting a rifle within 20 to 30 days. I contact my dealer and ask him to contact his distributors and make sure my name is on one of the guns. The factory rep said they were building 100 of them and had 190 requests from dealers/brokers and distributors. I am told by my dealer that we are good to go, not to worry, that one of the guns will be mine.

August 19th my dealer and the factory rep. are supposed to get in contact to arrange the gun getting to my hands.

September 22nd, I call my dealer and ask for a black Axiom in a .308. He tells me he can get the gun but without the scope package. I told him that was fine and that I would just buy a scope to put on the rifle. September 24th I am told by my gun dealer he is having a tough time getting a black one. I am at my wits end. I wanted the Axiom because of the pistol grip stock and I find it more ergonomic to shoot and I like the reduced recoil of the rifle. Does anyone have ANY contact numbers to anyone within Howa that actually can help and cares about customer service? Thank you for your time.
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Old 09-25-2009, 03:30 AM
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Several Observations (~)

*You should never have to beg a salesman to take your money.
*You should never have to bribe a salesman to take your money(or to simply do his job)
*The sales person should be able to tell you within one full buisness day if and when they will be able to have your weapon. (I used to have a FFL, and did buisness with the wholesalers all the time)

This post is not to be critical of the way you went about trying to find what you wanted. I simply feel it is sad the way companies(big or small) do buisness nowadays.

As a sidenote,I would suggest that you take a close look at the FNAR weapon system. I have a friend that has one in the heavy bbl version,it is super accurate and will eat any ammo fed to it. Well made and downright purdie also.

Best of luck and good shootin'. ----pruhdlr P.S. Welcome to the forum also.

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Old 09-25-2009, 03:43 AM
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I have had similar problems with a few dealers. Funny thing is that what I was looking for was all over gunbroker, went to 5 different retailers here and they said they couldn't get them.

Ended up just buying it from gunbroker and paid the 40 dollars shipping and I had it.

Also took a trip a few weekends ago, drove to another state. Walked into a gun shop, and they had an entire rack of them for 100 dollars less then I paid for them.
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Old 09-25-2009, 08:17 AM
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Mfrs sell to distributors, who sell to your local dealer. You should contact a distributor to find availability. I have a friend with an FFL who can receive items from a distributor and sell to me. Being out of his house, he charges minimal markup.

It might help if you reveal your location in the US, too.

Try:
http://www.galleryofguns.com/Genie/d...&sit=No+Sights

http://www.rsrgroup.com/cgi-bin/cgirpcux/WTM-002O
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Old 09-25-2009, 04:24 PM
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Pick up a rem 700 in .308 and put an axiom stock on it from blackhawk. Oh I don't know if this caused any problems but blackhawk now owns to stock design from axiom.
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Old 09-25-2009, 11:47 PM
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I agree a person shouldn't have to offer a tip to a salesman to get them to do their job.

Question. Does anyone have any contact information for someone inside Howa that might be able to help? Thanks for your time.
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Old 09-26-2009, 06:06 AM
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Is this the one you want?

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=141204491
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Old 09-30-2009, 01:37 AM
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That is close. I am looking for the 20" barrell.
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Old 09-30-2009, 02:20 AM
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I joined gun broker and will keep an eye out for the rifle as well. Thanks .300WinMag for pointing me in that direction. TH
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Old 10-08-2009, 09:16 AM
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Pick up a rem 700 in .308 and put an axiom stock on it from blackhawk. Oh I don't know if this caused any problems but blackhawk now owns to stock design from axiom.
I believe this is the way I am going to go. I found a Remington 700, it isn't a bull barrel design. How difficult it is to change the synthetic stock off of the Remington to the Knoxx Blackhawk stock? Is this something I should take to a gun smith? Thank you for your time!
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Old 10-08-2009, 09:39 AM
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Normally they should just be a drop in type if you get the proper action. But then again if you want to get everything you can out of the rifle the I would have it glassed and if necessary free floated. The Axiom style are fully free floating so they would not need it.
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Old 10-10-2009, 06:08 PM
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I'm not sure is you are aware of this website or if they have exactly what you are looking for but here it is.

www.ableammo.com
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Old 10-10-2009, 08:58 PM
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Tundrahunter, have you looked at the rem 700 SPS Tactical? It has a 20 inch bull barrel. My son owns one in 308WIN and it is a superb shooter. These rifles come with a Hogue overmolded stock. You can find them on gunbroker. See ya,
Bill

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Old 10-19-2009, 12:23 AM
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I think I am going to end up with a Remington 700 SPS Bull Barrel and putting a Axiom stock on it. I had considered the Remington VTR but am not real sure how that would fit. It would definiatly be unique.

The Axiom stock is offered in a short throw and long throw. With the Rem 700 SPS bull barrel I assume that would take the long throw stock (.308).

I cannot thank you guys enough for all of your help!
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Sounds like a winner. Just make sure you match the stock to the action as the .308 is a short action bolt.

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Old 10-23-2010, 10:27 AM
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Tundra, did you understand that the 308 win is considered a short action?
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