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Old 09-28-2009, 06:18 AM
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Youth Rifle 7mm-08 or .243?


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I have a 8 year old that can shoot a .243 Ruger M77 MKII like a champ. He has only shot at the range cause in ND, you have to be 12 before you can hunt big game. However, I want to bring him to Texas with me to kill some pigs. I'm torn between the calibers
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Old 09-28-2009, 06:37 AM
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Reload ??

Hogs can get sizeable in Texas. In the WCS,your son will see a 300lb boar hog standing broadside and he will have to take him on the shoulder. Soooooo......my vote would be for the .308Win. This,especially if you reload.

The .308Win can be loaded up,down,and sideways 'til you can accomplish 'bout anything with it. More weapons with a wider choice of actions,more factory loads with a wider choice of bullets,and......not a heck of allot more recoil. Practice will negate that anyway.

My vote is for the .308Win. -----pruhdlr
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I would think hunting javelinas with either would be fine (use a well constructed bullet). If you're going for bigger ferals, *my* preference would be for a larger bullet (of the two, a well constructed 7mm-08 bullet, 140gr or heavier, would prefer heavier), but I'm sure the .243 (with a well constructed heavy bullet) would probably do them in as well.
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Old 09-28-2009, 06:59 AM
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8 year old? I would stick with a .243. Sit in the blind with him and offer guidance where the bullet should go. Most times, you'll see a family group and can simply pick out an appropriate-sized hog for the rifle at hand. Smaller ones are a LOT easier to clean, mark my words!

The big hog-a-saurus critters are few and far between, and frankly, once you've cleaned one, you'll rue the day another shows up. You can always stick it behind the ear.
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Have shot several feral hogs with a .243 Win. and they all died rather quickly.

Agree with MikeG - pick a small or medium sized hog to shoot. Much tastier and far less work.
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Old 09-28-2009, 08:09 AM
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Wild bacon, you guys in Texas suck ! We dont have anything like that around here, unless someones pop-belly pig gets loose.
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Old 09-28-2009, 08:26 AM
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I do reload. I reload around 500-800 rounds a year. So I have some play.

As far as hogs go, I still haven't gotten the stink off from last years 200 pounder.

I know he can shoot a .243. He shoots it very well, super good! I was leaning towards the 7mm-08 but after talking to you fine folks I'm not sure. I don't want too big of a recoil so he is scared, but I don't want too small of caliber that he is limited.

I'm just not sure guys!!!
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Old 09-28-2009, 09:28 AM
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Have you considered the .257 Roberts, if you are wanting to move up a little ?

There is a Ruger MkII in .257 Roberts for sale here in the classifieds.
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Old 09-28-2009, 09:31 AM
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My wife has killed several pigs with a 6mm Rem and factory 100gr. loads. When any one asks how big they were, my answer was "about 50lbs. bigger than I wanted to clean." Well, I think that last one was maybe 75lbs. bigger? In all seriousness, it will kill pigs just fine.

DO make it very clear on the shot placement. Frankly I would just shoot them in the neck and be done with it. You lose a little meat but you don't do much tracking

You will be hunting in a tower blind, over bait most likely. There will be a rest so a good shot can be taken and time to pick out a target.

My son is getting started with a .250 Savage, same ballistics or actually just a bit less to be honest. I would not dream of letting him shoot anything larger at this point and he is pretty good sized for his age.

Lots of practice with the .22 first. Let him draw up his own pig targets or copy some pictures off the internet and work on shop placement.

Save the 7mm-08 till he's bigger. No reason to cut down two stocks at the present time.
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Old 09-28-2009, 09:36 AM
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Have you considered the .257 Roberts, if you are wanting to move up a little ?

There is a Ruger MkII in .257 Roberts for sale here in the classifieds.
That is a good starting point too. I have one and it works great. Killed a bunch of pigs and some deer and never lost anything that I hit. Mine, however, is one of the old tang-safety 77s and the stocks are just too big and clunky and heavy for those of smaller stature. I guess I could have gotten a new stock for it for either the wife or son, but the 6mm was available for her and fit much better as it already was. Had access to a .250 Sav. reamer and gages and a mauser action and Grandpa needed a project so that's the way we went with son's rifle.

Any of the 6mm / .25 bores would be a good start (save for my .257 WBY as it does kick noticeably more, my opinion here).
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Old 09-28-2009, 10:01 AM
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A good, well-placed 100 gr .243 bullet should be plenty, I'd think. One thing that I have always done with my kids (3 girls who each started deerhunting at age 11) is to always have them wear ear protection. It is my opinion that muzzle blast is a bigger factor than recoil in 'shot apprehension.' My kids, who are now ages 13-17, have all graduated to .308 (by their choice) and have never had any fear of recoil. I attribute it mostly to always wearing earmuffs (even when we hunt). Hey, good luck with the hunt and America needs more dads like you to take their kids hunting. Best wishes.
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That is a good starting point too. I have one and it works great. Killed a bunch of pigs and some deer and never lost anything that I hit. Mine, however, is one of the old tang-safety 77s and the stocks are just too big and clunky and heavy for those of smaller stature. I guess I could have gotten a new stock for it for either the wife or son, but the 6mm was available for her and fit much better as it already was. Had access to a .250 Sav. reamer and gages and a mauser action and Grandpa needed a project so that's the way we went with son's rifle.

Any of the 6mm / .25 bores would be a good start (save for my .257 WBY as it does kick noticeably more, my opinion here).

I wonder if anyone has necked a .257 Wby down to 6mm ? A 95gr Partition at 3500+ fps
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Wild bacon, you guys in Texas suck ! We dont have anything like that around here, unless someones pop-belly pig gets loose.
Pop belly pig? IS that the ones w/Pepsi stenciled on their side?
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Old 09-28-2009, 10:32 AM
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Pop belly pig? IS that the ones w/Pepsi stenciled on their side?

My bad ! Excuse my typo, ole great one
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Old 09-28-2009, 10:34 AM
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600lb hog with a .243 http://www.kevinfowleroutdoors.com/o...ad/ww/hggh.jpg
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Old 09-28-2009, 11:54 AM
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WOW! Thanks guys. This is all a great help. Also, thanks for the kind words. Three is a reason I come here for advice.

The youth rifle I was looking at is a Weatherby youth rifle. It comes with a compact and a youth stock. Youth stock for now and compact when he grows out of it. He has shouldered this gun and loves it. The majority sounds like a .243 would do great.

I have not thought any about the .257. I (to my own mistake) have forgotten about it. I know, shame on me.

One good thing is that he wears muffs now. Even in the field he likes to wear them. The other is that is not scared of anything. His .410 poped him in the nose a couple of years ago and he told me "well dad, thats hunting". He did learn what he did wrong and has never forgot it.

Like any father, I want him to be successful. Like anything at this age, success grows interest and I want him to be the best hunter he can be and love the crap out of the sport. Just like we all do.

I wonder if Weatherby makes a .257 Roberts in a youth/compact rifle? Otherwise, what type of youth rifle is best (if there is one)?

I have never owed a Weatherby myself. I have a Tikka, Remington, 2 Ruger M77 MKII's, Winchester, and T/C. Guys that own Weatherbys them love them.
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I knew there was a reason I came here for advice. Not "Three is a reason I come here for advice."

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Weatherby does not offer a .257 Roberts. However, I would not hesitate to snatch up that Ruger M77 MkII in .257 . He's asking $450

http://shootersforum.com/showthread....616#post451616


Weatherby does offeer the Youth Vanguard in 7mm-08 though
http://www.weatherby.com/product/rif...d/youthcompact
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Weatherby offers a .243 as well. We looked at both of them. Is the .257a youth or a adult?
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Weatherby offers a .243 as well. We looked at both of them. Is the .257a youth or a adult?

I would say it's a full size, but could be cut down if it's Walnut.
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