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Old 11-04-2009, 05:34 PM
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Hello,

After shooting my Marlin 795 22 cal rifle, I've decided to get something bigger. I'm not a hunter and I'm not reloading yet. I'm looking for some bigger rifle for 100 and 200 yards target shooting.
Please recommend me specific make and models (including calibers). So far I've been thinking of Marlin XL7 20 or 30.06....
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Old 11-04-2009, 05:41 PM
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For cheap ammo it's hard to beat a .223 in centerfire. Any specific contests or events that you might enter? That could help narrow down the choices.
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Old 11-04-2009, 05:47 PM
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For cheap ammo it's hard to beat a .223 in centerfire. Any specific contests or events that you might enter? That could help narrow down the choices.

Just recreational shooting for now, no contests. I would be ok with ammo that would cost me between $15-$20 for 20 rounds.

THe shooting range that I like to go to has 25, 50, 100, 200 yards. I would like to shoot at 100 and 200 yards.
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Yeah... .223 is about as cost effective as you can get.
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Old 11-04-2009, 05:55 PM
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Yeah... .223 is about as cost effective as you can get.

Cost of ammo is not a problem. My question is what would be the best caliber...I've been considering Marlin XL7 270 or 30.06...but I was told that these calibers are not the best for target shooting.
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Forget the bigger bores.

For pleasant shooting periods at the range, get a .223 Rem in any rifle of your choice - there's dozens of makers and styles out there.

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Old 11-04-2009, 06:15 PM
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Forget the bigger bores.

For pleasant shooting periods at the range, get a .223 Rem in any rifle of your choice - there's dozens of makers and styles out there.

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I got 22cal for all around fun shooting and would like to get something bigger.
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Old 11-04-2009, 06:21 PM
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I got 22cal for all around fun shooting and would like to get something bigger.
.22lr and .223 may both start with .22 but thats about all they have in common, personaly i would say .308 win or 6mm remington, but don't just write the .223 off, for cost its hard to beat and it will shot as well as you can at 200 yards.
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Old 11-04-2009, 06:24 PM
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.22lr and .223 may both start with .22 but thats about all they have in common, personaly i would say .308 win or 6mm remington, but don't just write the .223 off, for cost its hard to beat and it will shot as well as you can at 200 yards.
I was thinking of 308 as well. Marlin produces XL bolt rifles for this caliber. From what you are saying 223 should be good enough for my needs.
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Old 11-04-2009, 06:26 PM
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If not a .223 Remington then how about the 5.56mm NATO if you absolutely have to have a bigger rifle get a Remington 700 LTR in the .308. If your up to it you can easily put 5 rounds into the same hole at 100 yards. Put a Super Sniper 10x fixed power on it and you can shoot out to 600-700 yards without upgrading optics (personal opinion). Going with the .308 will let you build off of other peoples experiences so you wont make some basic avoidable mistakes. By the way shooting a .22LR out to 200 yards is plenty challenging in it's own and will help to develop your marksmanship skills.

As a side note... The .223 Remington is signifigantly more powerful than a .22LR or .22WM. If you have the ability to, a .223 Remington will take you just as far as a .308 with less costs for ammunition.
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If not a .223 Remington then how about the 5.56mm NATO if you absolutely have to have a bigger rifle get a Remington 700 LTR in the .308. If your up to it you can easily put 5 rounds into the same hole at 100 yards. Put a Super Sniper 10x fixed power on it and you can shoot out to 600-700 yards without upgrading optics (personal opinion). Going with the .308 will let you build off of other peoples experiences so you wont make some basic avoidable mistakes. By the way shooting a .22LR out to 200 yards is plenty challenging in it's own and will help to develop your marksmanship skills.

As a side note... The .223 Remington is signifigantly more powerful than a .22LR or .22WM. If you have the ability to, a .223 Remington will take you just as far as a .308 with less costs for ammunition.
I'm not saying that 22 cal is boring or not challenging enough. I'm jut looking for something bigger in addition to my 22 cal. For sure I will shoot more rounds with my Marlin 795 because the ammunition is really cheap.

The bigger rifle would be only for experiencing something different (bigger) and to get used to shooting something bigger and more powerful. I checked the prices of ammo and 20 rounds for $20-$25 is still acceptable.
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A .30 cal is a big step up from a rimfire. A .223 is a more logical intermediate step. The bigger stuff is just going to give you a flinch, in a sporter weight rifle like the Marlin.

If you really just want a bigger gun, get one. But get a heavy barrel model so it won't beat you up so bad.
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A .30 cal is a big step up from a rimfire. A .223 is a more logical intermediate step. The bigger stuff is just going to give you a flinch, in a sporter weight rifle like the Marlin.

If you really just want a bigger gun, get one. But get a heavy barrel model so it won't beat you up so bad.
I asked because I wasn't sure what would be best for me. Surely I will look into .223. I still have some time to decide.

Any specific make and model of .223 (that is less than $400)?
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I would go with Savage, probably. They have a fairly good reputation from the factory, and they are easy to change barrels later on if you decide to go to a different chambering. Pretty versatile system, accessorize to your heart's content.

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308W is a great cartridge and offers a lot of versatility, especially if you begin to reload. Marlin makes one in their XS7 line or you can choose from a number of other makers. If you want to slowly improve your rifle, consider a Remington 700. You can change stocks, triggers, barrels, and bolts as your interest increases.
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I asked because I wasn't sure what would be best for me. Surely I will look into .223. I still have some time to decide.

Any specific make and model of .223 (that is less than $400)?
Under $400 two rifles really stand out in my opinion, Remington 700 and savage, the Remington cost a bit more, but is a prettier riffle to look at (life is to short for an ugly gun) and has been the gold standard of target shooting for a long time it also has a mind boggling amount of aftermarket parts and accessories available, the savage offering has amazing accuracy out of the box, and as more and more manufactures jump on it it may soon have just as many options in the aftermarket upgrades as a Remington.

I do agree with what the guys above said, jumping from a .22 rim-fire to a .30 cal might not be the best idea, personally recoil has never been a concern, its the muzzle blast that gave me a flinch.
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I personally have a Savage Model 12 chambered for .308. I love it. I'm "driving tacks" still at 200, sub MOA groups. I personally love the Savage rifles as a whole. The Accu-Trigger system is phenomenal, no creep or take up detected at all. Very customizable and LOADS of fun. Good luck, and the most important thing is to HAVE FUN!!!
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Consider a 7.62 x 39. Cheap ammo is available, has low recoil and low muzzle blast. A rifle you can fire all day and not get fatigued. CZ, Ruger and Remington make bolt action rifles in this caliber.

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.243 Winchester. Tons of factory ammo to be had. Monster leap up from a .22 Rimfire. Not enough recoil to develop a flinch.
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Hello,

After shooting my Marlin 795 22 cal rifle, I've decided to get something bigger. I'm not a hunter and I'm not reloading yet. I'm looking for some bigger rifle for 100 and 200 yards target shooting.
Please recommend me specific make and models (including calibers). So far I've been thinking of Marlin XL7 20 or 30.06....
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Your question is what gun and which cartridge would be good for shooting targets at 100 and 200 yards. You don't hunt or reload, you just want to punch paper at longer ranges, which I think is cool. As for the gun, there are many out there that will meet your needs, including the Marlin XL7 you mentioned, the offerings from Savage, and you really can't go wrong with a Remington Model 700. Stick with a bolt-action...or, if accuracy isn't a huge concern to you, get a lever-gun. They're plenty accurate and lots of fun to shoot, too!

If you haven't shot many rounds of center-fire rifle, you probably should not jump straight to a 270 or 30-06. Both have enough recoil and muzzle-blast that, without proper coaching, you'll most likely develop a flinch that makes accurate shooting a problem. Center-fire 22's like the .223 and 22-250 are great fun to shoot out to 300 yards, or so, but something tells me you want the feel of a powerful gun!

I would 2nd two of the suggestions already made; the .243Winchester and 7.62X39, and throw in a third option, the 6.8SPC cartridge. This is basically a 270Winchester stepped down in power a bit, shooting lighter bullets that don't create as much recoil.

After you make your choice, you might fire the first few rounds from a recoil-dampening device, like a Caldwell lead-sled. This way you'll get the noise, which will be much louder, but you won't get belted by the recoil. After a couple of shots, so you know how much it will boom, then fire it from the shoulder so you can learn how it recoils. Take one new sensation at at a time.

Also, keep in mind that even with the rounds mentioned above, recoil is cumulative. Experienced shooters could probably fire as many as 50 rounds from those cartridges before starting to "feel it", possibly causing a flinch. Everyone has their threshold and unless you go to extremes to reduce felt recoil you WILL eventually anticipate pain in your next shot and flinch. Macho guys will claim they don't, wise men will admit it's true.

I would suggest firing perhaps 10 rounds at your first session, and no more than 20. No sense beating yourself up the first day you shoot your new gun. Just whet your appetite w/o stuffing yourself. See how you feel the next day, if your shoulder is a little tender. Keep in mind that you could probably fire1,000 rounds of .22 and never feel a thing, but the bigger center-fire stuff does generate enough recoil to remind you that you've fired a gun.

For just plain "fun" shooting, the .22 is still king. Making a dime-sized target spin at 100 feet is just as cool as shooting a quarter-sized group at 100 yards...and it costs a heckuvalot less.
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