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CowboyGunNut 03-16-2010 06:44 PM

Rossi Circuit Judge (Taurus Judge in a carbine)
 
I just saw this and thought it was interesting.
http://www.rossiusa.com/2010newcatalog/?catalog_page=5

Rossi took the Taurus judge and put an 18.5" barrel and rifle stock on it to make a carbine. It has a shield around the cylinder gap to protect your forearm from spitting lead and gas.

If it can manage to both pattern well as a shotgun and shoot reasonably accurately with .45s, it would make a handy little survival gun. This year Taurus is releasing the Judge in .410 / .454 Casull, too, so if this finds it's way into the carbine you would have an incredibly versatile gun.

dmsbandit 03-17-2010 03:01 AM

Sounds like a winner to me. That would make a great backcountry hiking gun.

stinky 03-17-2010 11:06 AM

I don't know what planet that I've been on...but when did they stop making the .22 pump? I have one and it is a great gun.

I also note that they do not make a .357 in the Wizard, but it is available. If my dealer can't get me an H&R single soon....then I know what I want....especially as the H&R will only swap bbls w/a shotgun (in .357).

stinky 03-17-2010 11:07 AM

I also note that they are adding a 30-30 lever to their line.

mattsbox99 03-17-2010 03:10 PM

Wow... even Rossi has sunk to new levels of garbage...

pruhdlr 03-17-2010 04:41 PM

Silly !!
 
Ain't that 'bout the silliest thang ya ever did see.

45LC huh ?? Rifled bbl ?? Howz the pattern of #7.5 shot at 10 feet ??

That would be a great weapon for...........oh.......never mind. ----pruhdlr

CowboyGunNut 03-17-2010 06:35 PM

Too each his own, I guess. I like it and I'm anxious to see reviews.

I never thought the Judge would sell well, but it's Taurus's best selling gun of all time. This might catch on as well.

Dino 03-17-2010 06:46 PM

It made for an ugly pistol ... and it makes for an even uglier carbine. :rolleyes:

mattsbox99 03-17-2010 08:58 PM

Don't worry if we don't like it, if you do and you can actually get one, buy it and enjoy it!

dmsbandit 03-18-2010 02:57 AM

I bet the barrel is only rifled the last few inches, and that should not bother the .410 loads at all. The .410 is a short range gun even in a true shotgun, so shooting a partridge or snake should be well within it's capabilities. The 45 can handle the heavier tasks as well as any 44mag.

In case you have forgot your history, Colt made a shoulder fired carbine version of their revolvers back in the 1880s. The were also more than a few carbines made with rotating cylinders by companies trying to compete with Winchester in the early years. There may have been patent issues that caused companies to use the cylinder instead of the tube for shell storage.

El Lobo 03-19-2010 05:00 PM

James Gates....speculate please..Taurus Circuit Judge
 
Mr. Gates,

Seems to me a "Dixie" style load could be done for the Taurus Circuit Judge, revolving carbine in a 410 shotshell. An educated guess as to load and performance would be appreciated!! :D

http://www.rossiusa.com/2010newcatalog/?catalog_page=4

William Iorg 03-20-2010 08:04 AM

Well, I found the Raging Judge and the Raging Judge lightweight. Who can be the target audience for these guns?
The rear sight is a bit odd and the fiber optic front sight is not to my liking but the rifled barrel version would be interesting. With practice you could fling some lead at the dirt bank with double action fire. The clays birds would run and hide.
We have one of the later Taurus Thunderbolts in 45 Colt. This is a fine pump action rifle which has never given us a moment’s trouble. A fun plinking rifle.



CoyoteJoe 03-21-2010 07:17 AM

Hey William, have you bench rested the Thunderbolt? I'm with Townsend Whelen in that "only accurate rifles are interesting", even for "plinking".
As to the shoulder stocked Judge, it's still a rifled barrel and birdshot from a rifled barrel without some sort of choke tube to stop the spin is strictly a very close range affair, say 15-20 feet. I've shot a few birdshot loads from .45/70 rifles and found them rather useless.
I also would not expect accuracy from the .45 Colt since it still has to rattle through a .410 chamber before reaching the bore. A longer barrel cannot correct a bullet which strikes the forcing cone sideways.
Winchester has introduced some new .410 rounds especially for the Judge which look interesting for personal defense.

William Iorg 03-21-2010 08:05 AM

We have never shot the Thunderbolt from the bench. I have never even chronographed a load from it. At 25-yards it will break clay birds and then bust up the chips. At fifty yards it requires two notches on the rear sight to do the same. I am loading the rifle pretty light so my wife can pump the rounds out with “rapidity!” My wife likes to shoot the swinging targets with it too as she picks up the lead washers under the target.

We have a friend with a Judge and she told us the Federal rounds designed especially for the handgun suffer from the primer flowing back around the firing pin and after three shots they rub against the recoil shield and bind the cylinder. She told me the standard 410 shells work better in her revolver with no binding of the cylinder.

According to the people who have seen the revolving rifle the shield is only on the left side of the cylinder so a left handed shooter is forewarned there is no protection from escaping gas.

Luisyamaha 04-30-2010 09:35 AM

I, for one, find it interesting, but then again, I do often like weird stuff. If it was reasonably accurate (no more than 4" 5-shot groups @100 yards) and not too expensive I'd buy one just for the h**l of it.

As a handgun I found the Judge ugly and forward heavy and thought it wouldn't sell, I sure as heck had no interest in one, but as a carbine I like it!

Do they make speed-loaders for it yet?

Boy, I'm out of tune with the rest of the world!

Luisyamaha 04-30-2010 09:39 AM

Any idea what MSRP is?

CoyoteJoe 04-30-2010 10:31 AM

Well, if you just want a revolving carbine in .45 Colt, Uberti builds one on the Remington revolver frame which might at least have a chance of being accurate. I can't get excited over revolving shoulder arms but if I just had to have one I'd take the Uberti.
Taurus advertising claims they got the name because many judges were carrying them in court. But they hung that name on them before any guns even appeared on the market. How did all those judges get their "Judge"?
Many people are saying "I might like one if it throws a good .410 shot pattern", well forget it, until they add a proper choke tube with straight grooves to stop the spinning shot capsual it won't be useful beyond 20 feet, if that.
Others are saying "I might like one if it's reaonably accurate with .45 Colt." That just ain't never going to happen. You can't expect a .45 caliber bullet to ramble through another 1 1/2" of .465" diameter chamber and arrive at the forcing cone straight and centered.

Farrier Matt 04-30-2010 05:23 PM

Guess I got lucky with mine. Its got the 6 1/2 barrel. Its killed 3 hogs at 35-40 yards, and several dove with 4 shot as they flew over top of me. Im not even a very good shot with a handgun.
I agree with the free bore in the cylinder though, and have often thought of trying longer brass like 444 Marlin cases, and loading it to shoot the 45s. Not sure if Im a savvy enough handloader yet to pull it off, but it seems to me you could trim the case at somewhere around 2 inches, and whatever the OAL is in my 2.5 inch chambered Judge, maybe add a buffer of some sort between bullet and powder to match the 1.6" OAL of my 45 Colt handloads. Did that make any sense??? Sometimes I have a hard time explaining myself.

Farrier Matt 04-30-2010 05:25 PM

Oh yeah, I like the Circuit Judge until one of yall said the shield was only on one side. Im a lefty, and I kinda like my right fore arm. Seems like they would have thought that through a little better to me.

ironhead7544 04-30-2010 06:12 PM

I heard they were going to make it in a smoothbore version also.


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