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Old 09-08-2010, 11:20 AM
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What is the difference between the BAR Long & Short Trac?

I'm buying a .243 to go Deer Hunting, and I need the lightest recoil rifle available.
The .243 semi seems to be the answer.
I'm just wondering if the longtrac has less of a recoil than the shorttrac ? ?

Since my shoulder surgery, I can not tolerate a .30-06 kick any more.

So after much research, the .243 will kill a deer, and doesn't kick too badly.

and please, let's not debate the killing power of a .243

I'm just looking for a light recoil Deer rifle.

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Old 09-08-2010, 01:12 PM
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The long and short -trac refer to the action length. Since you want a .243 you will have no option other than the short trac. Recoil from the .243 from a semi-auto will be just about non existant so I wouldnt worry about it if I were you, even on a bad shoulder.
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Old 09-08-2010, 02:32 PM
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exactly what hillestadj said, let us know what you think of it, (accuracy, quality etc) I have a friend looking into getting one, in .243 so a first hand review would be much appreciated!
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Old 09-08-2010, 06:09 PM
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The Short Trac refers to the .308 family of cartridges and short mags. A .243 is a neck-downed .308 (little brother to the .308).

The BAR is a heck of a rifle, but have you considered a bolt action? Easier to maintain and clean, and inherently more accurate.

With todays modern ammo (nosler partition, accubond, barnes triple x), a .243 in a 85 - 90 grain is one helluva a whitetail round. Anybody who "claims" a .243 is too light for deer has either never used a .243 for deer, or needs to practice up at the range. Of course, any caliber has its limitations in terms of yardage.
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Old 09-08-2010, 06:57 PM
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Ditto- I got my wife a .243 to deer hunt with. The 85 gr Barnes TTX is an awsome round. If you dont reload, they just came out with loaded ammo. I steal it whenever I can cause its so fun to shoot.
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Old 09-09-2010, 09:37 PM
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What is the difference between the BAR Long & Short Trac?

I'm buying a .243 to go Deer Hunting, and I need the lightest recoil rifle available.
The .243 semi seems to be the answer.
I'm just wondering if the longtrac has less of a recoil than the shorttrac ? ?

Since my shoulder surgery, I can not tolerate a .30-06 kick any more.

So after much research, the .243 will kill a deer, and doesn't kick too badly.

and please, let's not debate the killing power of a .243

I'm just looking for a light recoil Deer rifle.

Thanks !!
Not trying to talk you out of the 243 at all. It is one of my favorites, but since you are looking at the Browning BAR's, I would give serious thought to a 25-06, 270 Win or 30-06 in one. My old man was very recoil intolerant back when he started deer hunting, along time ago. He had a bad run in with a Savage bolt gun that knocked his block off everytime he shot it. It had poor stock design and no recoil pad. Well, he went and bought a Browning BAR in 30-06 and proceeded to kill everything with it and 180gr Nosler PT's from Federal. The recoil is NOTHING. I remember shooting it when I was 10, and thinking at the time, my 22 Magnum had more recoil. My sisters have taken their first deer with it and they have practiced with it alot. It just plain does not recoil, at all. It is an early 80's model, so it doesn't even have a good recoil pad on it. I love it, it is very slick and shoots very well for an autoloader. Again, not trying to talk you out of the 243, but if you are used to the 30-06 the BAR in one of the 06 based cartridges would be very gentle.. Scotty
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Old 09-25-2010, 09:03 PM
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I brought the BAR in 7mm-08. Still need to set it up with mounts and scope. Shouldn't be too bad recoil.

I hear the 7-08 is between the .243 and .30-06 recoil wise.
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Old 09-26-2010, 02:37 AM
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The BAR Short Trac is a great rifle. It's basically an FN-FAL made for civilian use with a wood stock on it and prettied up. The FAL was good enough for NATO it should be good enough for you. Though, I don't think that anyone would really notice that much difference in recoil between the 308 short trac and the 30-06 long trac versions.

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Old 09-26-2010, 06:06 AM
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What is the difference between the BAR Long & Short Trac?

I'm buying a .243 to go Deer Hunting, and I need the lightest recoil rifle available.
The .243 semi seems to be the answer.
I'm just wondering if the longtrac has less of a recoil than the shorttrac ? ?

Since my shoulder surgery, I can not tolerate a .30-06 kick any more.

So after much research, the .243 will kill a deer, and doesn't kick too badly.

and please, let's not debate the killing power of a .243

I'm just looking for a light recoil Deer rifle.

Thanks !!
I would also suggest looking to the BAR Safari model as well. It's a heavier rifle and the design used for well over 40 yrs in the BAR. The Safari model is made in L/A only and would be available in .243, 25/06, .270 and .308 in a rifle nearly one pound heavier and with steel receiver. The .270 model is also available with the BOSS system which would lower felt recoil, making it quite manageable, I'm sure. I've owned BARs made from 1968 through the newest Safari model and all have been well made, quality rifles.

http://www.browning.com/products/cat...afari-firearms

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My wife had a similar problem after her breast cancer operation and dropped down from her .338/06 to the .243 caliber. She also started using a product called a PAST RECOIL PAD!!! This recoil pad soaks up close to 50% of recoil and is simply worn up against your shoulder. It works like a magic wond and only cost around $40 dollars for the "magnum pad". I even use one, when shooting my big bore rifles. The .243 Winchester caliber would be in the short track version. I would opt for the model that has the all steel receiver. Good Luck!

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A 243 with a good recoil pad is about as easy on the shoulder as it gets. I miss my 243.....
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Old 09-26-2010, 07:18 AM
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What I like about the .243 is the lack of recoil and with a Nosler Partition you could kill just about anything. I think you will be very happy with it. For sure you don't need "more gun" as the .243 is an efficient killer. I'm looking at the BLR in .243 as I like lever actions.
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The BLR in a 243 would be a slick rifle for sure. Be a great rifle to carry and to shoot. I like my BLR alot. Scotty
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My late brother in law killed many bull elk with his model 70 .243 Winchester! The using of Nosler 100 grain bullets will certainly work if you are a marksman, who places the shot properly on target.
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Old 09-26-2010, 06:20 PM
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I shoot a Benelli R1, 30-06 semi-auto, with a 20 inch barrel. It is very smooth and a joy to shoot. The 06 has a wide range of bullets; 55 grain up to 200+. That is what makes it more popular.
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Old 09-26-2010, 06:28 PM
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Congrats on the new rifle. I think you'll find the 7-08 to be a better pure deer cartridge than the .243 and recoil still wont be an issue at all. Let us know how she shoots for you and what you throw on it for a scope.
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I think you are making an excellent choice. As previously stated, the .243 is based on the .308 and is known as a short action caliber, as opposed to the .30-06 family, which is a long action caliber due to the total cartridge length being roughly 1/2" longer. Recoil from the .243 is considerably less than the .25-06 or any other member of the .30-06 family. A semi-auto action is by far the easiest to shoot with regard to recoil as well. Last but not least, the .243 has plenty of power to kill a deer. I have a nephew who has killed 2 moose with his .243 BLR. That's not something I recommend, but he did have his father as backup with his .308 just in case. The point is, the .243 did the job admirably. It's all about shot placement, as always. Buy it and enjoy it!
Please come back and post pictures of your new BAR. Best of luck to you.
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