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Old 10-29-2010, 02:31 PM
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i have been on thompson centers web site and those Icons are really nice rfles. they have the R5 rifling and are MOA guarenteed. im seriously thinking on buying one. only problem i have is that they dont offer them in a cartridge im looking for. they have a limited selection at best. they offer 270, 308, 30/tc, 300 win mag, 30-06, 22-250, 243 and the 6.5 creedmore? those are all common chamberings(except for two) and i want my guns firing uncommon cartridges. Are gunmakers able to do do "special requests" as far as chamberings go? im assuming that the ones listed are guns they mass produce because they are popular but they "might" have the ability to offer rifles with different chamberings upon request? what do you guys think? yay or ney?
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Old 10-29-2010, 03:53 PM
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Specifically for the Icon, I'd say NO!! The Icon is selling very slowly (well made as it may be). They are now offering a $150. rebate on them in some places bringing the bottom line cost on a Blue/Walnut model down to $500. My guess is that the Icon will be BYE-BYE within 12 months.
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Old 10-29-2010, 06:31 PM
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While I love T/C's quality, I just am not interested in the ICON because I think they are way overpriced. Their sales data probably shows they are a couple hundred too much.
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T/C seems to have the financial means to continue supporting the Icon, but sales have not been spectacular. This isn't surprising, given they were released during the most difficult financial times this country has seen in over 60 years. I know T/C has a pretty good custom shop where they chamber dozens of different cartridges for their Encore and Contender line, but I don't know if that would apply to the Icon.

If it were me, the 6.5 Creedmoor would be "unique" enough and it's certainly a very good small to medium-sized game cartridge.
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Old 10-29-2010, 06:58 PM
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Yes the Icon seem to be a bit pricey. Maybe the price does reflect the value , but the average man got to look more to suit their means .
Now the Venture is more like it .Then too for TC to keep costs down they would need to limit calipiers .
Even at that , a lot of people would with out a thought , go first to Savage/ Stevens , Mossberg and Marlin bolts , just for the price alone .

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Old 10-29-2010, 07:40 PM
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My only experience with TC is the .22 Classic I bought. I'm not impressed. That keeps the Icon a couple of notches lower on the desirability chart for me.
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Old 10-29-2010, 08:00 PM
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My only experience with TC is the .22 Classic I bought. I'm not impressed. That keeps the Icon a couple of notches lower on the desirability chart for me.
Well just because you do not like the .22 , maybe you might like the center fire in either the bolt action or the single shot . They are all different in there own .

I don't care too much for a remington 700 , but just bought a 7600.
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Old 10-29-2010, 09:13 PM
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I bought one in 308 & like it a lot, gave up a Sako in 270 to get it.
only complaint is it wont feed a Long Cut Flat Nose cast bullet.
It shoots & feeds round nose & pointed bullets just fantistic, cast & jacketed.

Depending on what you are looking for maybe you can have a gunsmith rechamber it for that cartridge if uses the same bolt face & is just a little larger.
They are shooters, been getting 4 out of 5 you can cover with a nickle , now gotta find some time to tweak it & tighten it up just a little & that is with cast bullets @ 100yds.
Oh one other complaint, couldn't find any deer today.
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That's my problem too . They were eatin' the oats and corn this fall, but come open season -- they are outta here . Probably back for more corn arround the end of November .It would be grand to feed a dozen all year and have just one for the pot .
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The Icon has one of the nicest actions of any factory rifle I have ever had a chance to mess with, they did very good with that action.
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Old 11-03-2010, 03:32 AM
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When T/C first introduced the Icon several years ago I was drawn too the rifle because of features and the companys reputation for accurate barrels. Dealers at the time were stocking few chamberings with the majority beening T/C's proprietary 30 T/C. That was the deal breaker for me. Went with Rem 700 in 308 Win with detachable box magazine for considerable less money. The marketing gensis at T/C should realize introducing a new model rifle with a new chambering only available from a few ammo companies is certain receipe for disaster.
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Yes And if I read the Mags , loading the 30 tc with the powder we have at hand, it compares to the 308 . Then with the new Proprietary powder to be released this coming year the 308 then compares to the 30 tc as it is now .
SOOOOO !! why then not get the 308 ? Once fired Brass is very cheap.

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So it applys too to new powders and new cartridges .Ya can't make me buy it !
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Old 11-03-2010, 06:16 PM
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The 30 TC was a huge mistake. They tried to market and sell the round, loaded with the "Super Performance" proprietary powder as out performing a .30-06 with 150 and 165 grain bullets. What a crock of BS! First they were comparing the .30 TC with the Super Performance technology against standard .30-06 loadings (rather than Hornady .30-06 Super Performance loadings). Second, even then the difference was so small it wasn't worth the trouble. Third, as Harry said, the .308 would do just as well with that technology. Fourth, the .30 TC does not handle heavy bullets as well as the .30-06 (again, it is just a .308 in another form).

Any new hunting rifle introduced in the US almost HAS to have offerings in .30-06 and .270 Win as its core chamberings. Why? Those rounds work GREAT and millions love them! The Icon was introduced with neither option initially. Maketing suicide it was.
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The 30 TC was, indeed, a huge mistake. It was another 30 caliber cartridge, which was the very LAST thing the US market was asking for, at least in a bolt-action rifle like the Icon. On the other hand, the 30 AR, from Remington, is a very good little cartridge, designed for the AR-15 action that many younger hunters will find useful from a platform they are very comfortable with. So, even though it offers less long-range performance than the '06, 30 TC or 308 Winchester, the 30 AR may very well be a commercial success, simply because of the gun it is being chambered in.
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i have been on thompson centers web site and those Icons are really nice rfles. they have the R5 rifling and are MOA guarenteed. im seriously thinking on buying one. only problem i have is that they dont offer them in a cartridge im looking for. they have a limited selection at best. they offer 270, 308, 30/tc, 300 win mag, 30-06, 22-250, 243 and the 6.5 creedmore? those are all common chamberings(except for two) and i want my guns firing uncommon cartridges. Are gunmakers able to do do "special requests" as far as chamberings go? im assuming that the ones listed are guns they mass produce because they are popular but they "might" have the ability to offer rifles with different chamberings upon request? what do you guys think? yay or ney?
Hey there DaveN26!

Just outta curiosity, what type of "uncommon cartridge" were you looking for?

It's just possible that one of those cartridges could get close to the type of trajectory, you'd appreciate....

PS.

I've seen the TC-Icon, looks pretty sweet in black and stainless!
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Old 11-03-2010, 06:56 PM
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I think again the 30 AR is Remington's fix to make a cartridge that will fit the gun .

We can get an AR to Work nicely on the .22, 223 , 308 and onto the 338 Federal platform .
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